What good is legalizing weed if you can't use it?

[GH85Carrera]

Long long ago in my single days like a lot of single guys I had some buddies I hung out with. I saw a real change in one guys personality. He went from easy going to paranoia and a real hate for cops. I know he started growing pot in his back yard because I saw it. I just removed myself from his association of friends.

About three years later I saw a TV news report of the cops arresting him and hauling of a bunch of pot plants. I don't know how long he was in for but a few years later I saw him again in a store. We exchanged howdys and chatted a minute. He was just a totally different man from the easy going relaxed dude I used to know. I have no idea if his is still involved with pot but it was obvious to me he was not the guy I wanted to know anymore.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Has it become too religious or political?

Are you under the impression that this is not a political discussion?

[BK911]

So what if you live in a legal state, have a prescription, but work for the gubmint? Can you partake?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by BK911

So what if you live in a legal state, have a prescription, but work for the gubmint? Can you partake?

Not if you don't want to be fired...or possibly even imprisoned.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by BK911

So what if you live in a legal state, have a prescription, but work for the gubmint? Can you partake?

Nope

If you work for the government you will be under federal law. Just like the VA

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Are you under the impression that this is not a political discussion?

I would say the topic is not inherently political (and certainly not partisan/party politics) although politics are interjected throughout the thread.

My observation is that typically an OT thread is deemed "political" when someone posts a strong argument that they disagree with.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Now that marijuana is legal in California, you should understand the health risks
Ron Reece
Cannabis may be legal now in California, but is still unhealthy
As of Jan. 1, 2018, California’s “gold rush” or “green rush” is on. The passing of Prop. 64 legalized the recreational use of marijuana for those over 21.

Being a physician, believing in evidence-based medicine, what positive or negative health effects of marijuana are well studied?

The Shasta County Public Health Department Provider Spring 2017 bulletin points us to such a resource, the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine 2017 report "The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research."

The full report, available at nap.edu, organizes cannabis health effects as conclusive evidence, substantial evidence, moderate evidence, limited evidence and no evidence based upon the quality or lack of quality of scientific studies available. With the usage of marijuana products predicted to increase, additional quality scientific studies will be assembled to support or refute the advantages or disadvantages of marijuana.

I will concentrate on the National Academy of Sciences’ conclusive evidence, substantial evidence and moderate evidence on cannabis usage.

Respiratory disease: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis smoking and worsening respiratory symptoms and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes. Cessation of cannabis smoking will improve respiratory symptoms.

Injury and death: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased risk of motor vehicle crashes. There is moderate evidence between cannabis use and the increase risk of overdose injuries, including respiratory distress, among pediatric populations in the U.S. states where cannabis is legal. (Keep cannabis and cannabinoids products away from children.)
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Originally Posted by Mark Henry

...Canada is now testing a roadside saliva test that is showing accurate results. Several systems being tested such as the Alere DDS®2 Mobile Test System.s...

So?

Originally Posted by fintstone

Prenatal, perinatal and neonatal exposure: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between maternal cannabis smoking and low birth weight of the offspring.

Psychosocial: There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis usage and the impairment of learning, memory and attention (acute cannabis use).

Mental health: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other psychoses, with the highest risk among the most frequent users. There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased symptoms of mania and hypomania in individuals diagnosed with bipolar disorders (regular cannabis use). Moderate evidence shows an increase incidence of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts with a higher incidence among heavier users, an increase in suicide completion and an increase in incidence of social anxiety disorder (regular cannabis use).

Problem cannabis use: There is substantial evidence that being male and smoking cigarettes are risk factors for the progression of cannabis use to problem cannabis use. Initiating cannabis use at an earlier age is a risk factor for the development of problem cannabis use. There is moderate evidence that during adolescence the frequency of cannabis use, oppositional behaviors, a younger age of first alcohol use, nicotine use, parental substance use, poor school performance, antisocial behaviors and childhood sexual abuse are risk factors for the development of problem cannabis use. There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of other substance dependence and abuse including alcohol, tobacco and other illicit drugs.

Therapeutic effects: There is conclusive or substantial evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for the treatment of chronic pain in adults (cannabis); effective for treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (oral cannabinoids) and effective treatment for improving patient-reported multiple sclerosis spasticity symptoms (oral cannabinoids). There is limited evidence supporting the usage of marijuana for anxiety symptoms of public speaking or improving symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorders. There is little or no evidence cannabis or cannabinoids are effective treatment for cancer, symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome, epilepsy, motor system symptoms associated with Parkinson’s disease, or achieving abstinence in the use of addictive substances.
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Originally Posted by Mark Henry

Then why is my wife's hospital using it?
Any biased study isn't worth the paper its printed on. In fact most of what you post are heavily biased mostly based on anecdotal evidence.

Major unbiased study already showing promising huge benefits. Also many clients and their families have been fighting chemical base sedation drugs creating physical danger for clients, family and staff. These people are on the whole OK with cannabis based therapies. At first low dose therapy didn't show much difference, now with higher doses they are seeing the results. The study is also ongoing expansion of its scope….

Why indeed?
On the contrary, the study results I post are peer reviewed and well regarded…unlike those that stand to make money on making MJ legal for recreational use. Your wife stories are the very definition of “anecdotal”.

Originally Posted by fintstone

…As with tobacco products the “gold rush” is on for those who grow, process and sell marijuana. The concentration of cannabis and cannabinoids in products are now at their highest, meaning rapid addiction and problem cannabis use present real threats to our community. Contrary to tobacco law, Prop. 64 allows advertising of marijuana on primetime TV when children watch. Marijuana products sold as gummy bears and brownies have already increased ER visits for children in Colorado. There are few medical indications for the appropriate use of marijuana; however, for most, marijuana will be “fool’s gold”...

Originally Posted by Mark Henry

… IIRC gummy bears are illegal in CO since Oct '17, all new things will have growing pains and changes. Here tobacco advertisement has been illegal for decades, I believe MJ will not be advertised as well.…

That just scratches the surface. Although edible products that are shaped like human, animals or fruits (including shapes that resemble or contain characteristics of a realistic or fictional human, animal, or fruit, including artistic, caricature, or cartoon renderings) are banned after 1 Oct, edible marijuana in geometric shapes and fruit flavors are ok.

Originally Posted by fintstone

…Make it a New Year’s resolution to educate your family about the health risks of marijuana.

Originally Posted by Mark Henry

.. We always have, we are always getting compliments on how well we have raised our teens. We also believe in giving them unbiased information and because of my wife's occupation my kids have seen psychiatric hospital wards first hand…

How does that help with the kids in California, Colorado, Washington, Nevada, etc. as usage among children is up drastically in some states after legalization? Are those only the stupid or bad kids? Do you think that their parents did not tell them not to smoke marijuana? Don’t you believe that marketing MJ as harmless and legal will cause kids to perceive it as such?

[Khal]

Nobody and I mean nobody ever saw this one coming.

Coachella Is Banning All Marijuana Use — Despite California Legalization

Bonus irony the owner of Coachella isn't some liberal hippie. He's a right wing antigay dude. ROFL

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/01/07/coachella-ban-marijuana-weed/

[Tobra]

I for one would find your arguments more persuasive if you did not set up claims nobody is making to knock down as if you are accomplishing something.

Originally Posted by fintstone

I would say the topic is not inherently political

You think a discussion regarding something that is illegal according to federal law for any use versus it being legal for recreational use by adults according to state law is not an inherently political subject, really?

On what is this opinion based?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I for one would find your arguments more persuasive if you did not set up claims nobody is making to knock down as if you are accomplishing something.


You think a discussion regarding something that is illegal according to federal law for any use versus it being legal for recreational use by adults according to state law is not an inherently political subject, really?

On what is this opinion based?

It is based on the primary definition of "political" and the title of the thread and the OP:


What good is legalizing weed if you can't use it?

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

A friend of mine is happy that weed is finally legal in the CA. I asked her if she was planning to smoke again like we did in college. She said she'd get fired if her employer found out. So whats the point of legalizing if you're going to get penalized anyway?

Lets change the question to:

What good is it to have a car that will go 100 mph when the speed limit is 65?

Is that inherently a political thread that should not be posted in OT?

[Tobra]

Apples and oranges my friend. You would not even consider putting up with it if someone else tried to pull a switch like that.
This is an inherently political subject

A friend of mine is happy that weed is finally legal in the CA. I asked her if she was planning to smoke again like we did in college. She said she'd get fired if her employer found out. So whats the point of legalizing if you're going to get penalized anyway?

This is not an inherently political subject

What good is it to have a car that will go 100 mph when the speed limit is 65?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Apples and oranges my friend. You would not even consider putting up with it if someone else tried to pull a switch like that.
This is an inherently political subject

This is not an inherently political subject

What good is legalizing weed if you can't use it?
What good is it to have a car that will go 100 mph when the speed limit is 65?

How are they different? Both are discussions about unpopular laws that some folks believe should not be enforced. Will it help if I phrase them more exactly?

What good is legalizing weed if you can't use it?
What good is it legalizing a fast car if you can't use it?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Ayles

Odorless until used? Please stop talking. You have zero credibility.

Don't take my word on it...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/technology/marijuana-start-ups-go-beyond-the-simple-joint.html

[vash]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

A friend of mine is happy that weed is finally legal in the CA. I asked her if she was planning to smoke again like we did in college. She said she'd get fired if her employer found out. So whats the point of legalizing if you're going to get penalized anyway?

none of this makes any sense..just cuz it's legal doesnt make it "one size fits all"

take same sex marriage..fully legal now. doesn't mean i'm gonna find myself a man.