According to a recent study, "analysis of 253 902 adolescents in 47 states, marijuana use among eighth and 10th graders in Washington increased 2.0% and 4.1%, respectively, between 2010-2012 and 2013-2015; these trends were significantly different from trends in states that did not legalize marijuana."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2593707

This is the funniest thing you have ever posted.
I had this happen to me in Del Paso Heights Got a fix it ticket. Went to a Sheriff's office near the house, and the guy said this is ridiculous, signed off on it, and was not even interested at looking at the car that was right out front.

Thank you.

Why do you suppose you received a "fix it" ticket? Did you have something that needed fixing?

Why do you suppose it was treated differently by your local Mountie? Favoritism?

Because I am white, in a black neighborhood, simple.

What is it you think was funny in the quote of yours I posted?

Barney verses Andy....lots more Barneys these daze :(

Lets look at this in context. The LE do not make the laws...but rather, they enforce them. The premise that lawmakers put in place laws so that police can hassle innocent people seems a huge stretch (first 2 posts above in this chain). Similarly, the assumption that lawmakers pass laws that they do not intend to be enforced (except against blacks in white neighborhoods or vice-versa)is a huge stretch.

What evidence do you have that the LE that gave you the "fix it" ticket did not give them to blacks? Did they tell you that? Do you have evidence that the LE that gave you a pass did not do so with blacks? How can you explain the fact that I (and lots of other folks) have received tickets in both black and white neighborhoods? Personally, I get the most in rural, white neighborhoods.

If you did not have something that needed fixing...you might have a point. Otherwise, it is totally speculation and an unfair characterization on the officer/police force that may well have just been doing their job trying to identify unsafe vehicles and get them off the road. One should be sure before playing the race card. It is very divisive.

I would be more likely to buy that than inherent racism in law enforcement.

I agree with your point, it is highly unlikely that an lawmaker would want to or be able to pass a law that gives a tool to LE to hassle, however, to build on your point perhaps, there is an issue with LE doing selective enforcement so that they can indulge their particular upset or prejudice.

Example, son got pulled over repeatedly for 1 or 2 kmh over the limit for a period of time as he is Asian in appearance and was driving a hot hatchback. He apparently got up their nose because the first time he was pulled over he asked (correctly) "are you arresting me or am I free to go" after producing the needed documents.

He refused to allow them to search his vehicle without them stating their probable cause (there was none) and then he was a marked man for the cops working that area.

Now, it worked out Ok as he made it known that he would fight a 3 kmh over ticket and they knew it would be thrown out of court, but he still got pulled over 10+ times over the course of a few weeks. In rush hour no less.

I have a problem with LE doing this kind of thing, if any one of us were followed, there is undoubtedly no end of infractions that would fringe the law's edges and could be prosecuted.

LE are humans too...and some of them are pretty bad humans so they do not get an automatic bye for bad behaviour as they know they can make your life miserable if they want and some of them do just that.

Lawmakers deserve even more opprobrium in my books by writing laws to a level of detail either giving far too much leeway for LE interpretation or far too little.

Net result is the same, we need our LE to be colour blind just as Our Lady of Justice is and too many of them are not. Those need to be weeded out with all the passion of a fat kid on a box of Smarties as they bring justice and rule of law into disrepute.

Dennis

Fint, you seem to read very selectively a lot of the time. You ignore what might serve to undermine your point, and greatly expand on irrelevant items that would serve to support it.

He made an unsafe U turn, ignoring jay walkers to pull me over. Yes, they were black. He pulled me over for no front plate, that had not been on the car at all in the years prior to this, never pulled over for anything before or since in that car. The woman I was going to see was furious about it, harassing me, with all the crime in that neighborhood. She thought the same thing I did. The officer that signed off on it commented that they must not have any real crime in that area, if they are ticketing me for no front plate.

The fact that he gave me a ticket for being the wrong shade of white in a black 'hood was clear to everyone involved, except you. Obviously he did not say he was giving me the ticket because I was white, that would be ridiculous, and you know better, or you should.

Unsafe vehicle due to no front plate, really, yeah, that was totally what was going on there.

While I do find selective enforcement or harassment to be intolerable, if you are breaking the law, you are breaking the law. If you don't want the hassle, knock it off.

To assume it was because the young man was asian seems unfair as I have endured similar and do not look one bit asian.

Did they tell you that they only gave fix-it tickets for no front plate to whites? How is it obvious to anyone that is the case? Should you be exempt from the law in black neighborhoods because you are white?

It seems to me that if you drove for years without a required front plate, you were due to be pulled over. It seems like a flagrant disregard of the law. You would get pulled every time you drove the car where I live.

Maybe they just thought that a wealthy physician should follow the same laws as everyone else.

The premise that certain drugs are made illegal as a ruse to allow police to roust those of a different race is ludicrous.

Well that is where I suspect we differ.

I guess fundamentally I do not believe that any system (political, legal, game ....whatever) can ever write up a set of laws or rules that comprehensively cover every case or which are immune to gaming by those officiating or those participating.

For this reason we have referees in sports, LE in the legal system, courts in the political system....to make judgement calls on applicability of a specific rule/law to a situation. If any one of those adjudicators (referee's/LE/judges....and I oversimplify here) do not practice good judgement and a degree of leeway on calls, the "game" locks up and becomes difficult to play.

Culturally wise, the sotto voce behind my legal system is effectively strong laws with flexible enforcement.

Marijuana is illegal here, but it is tolerated as long as it is not "excessive" and fits within "reasonable" guidelines.....even though everyone outside of the country thinks that Dutch laws allow consumption of drugs. They do not.

Some laws require hard edge enforcement - lets say shooting at people - but others, such as speed on a highway, require a degree of leeway and judgement on the part of the LE. When that leeway and judgement become overly narrow and inappropriate, you end up with a problem, as is so amply demonstrated by too many LEO's.

Personally, I suspect what you and I have between us is the difference between Myers-Brigg's XXXP viz. XXXJ.

All Ok,

Dennis

PS - evidence of the Asian bias came from the LEO who asked where my son was born....he would not have asked that question of me being a pale-faced, run of the mill caucasian.....

They ask me that all the time. Accent, not race. Just making conversation so they can smell your breath.

Same here in North TexAss - it's like signaling the police to come fark with you.

That's not the reason weed was made illegal, but the way LEO has abused all of our Constitutional rights is troubling imo, and a VERY small percentaage of cops are just flat out "dirty"...and you can bet they do. Being a white male, I avoided all of that...but I've seen it first hand. Not racial necessarily....could be "long haired" hippies, or "rich" college kids too...

Personally, I would be much more concerned if the “referees” got to decide the rules during the game. That does not allow for equal protection under the law and would likely lead to selective enforcement. Having illegal drugs (one would assume for good reason) wher LEs get to decide what us “excessive” seems worse than a set standard and particularly vulnerable to favoritism or harassment. Anytime a black, Asian, woman etc. was arrested....or not...one might well assume racism, misogyny, etc...or favoritism. It is no different with speeding, bad tail light, etc. either it is unsafe to have a rail light out...or not. Either a license plate is required...or not. As a white male, it should not be illegal for me and not a black female...or a transvetite cross dresser.

I have often heard folks claim they were singled out for race, sex, etc. when I had observed that was not the case. They carried a chip on their shoulders afterwards which was simply unnecessary based on an inaccurate assumption. It is especially true with young folks who find that their parents are less mad at them for foolishly breaking the law if they can make them believe they were the actual victims (of John Law).

Glad we agree.

Why do you believe that you have avoided trouble by being a white male? I have been in quite a bit of trouble myself and I look quite white and quite male. Is it possible that you were either lucky or too smart to be too obvious in your criminal activities? Have you ever been caught along with a minority or woman (doing the same thing) and they were arrested and you not?

Yep, I was just lucky fint...absolutely!

...for being born white almost 6 decades ago :)

Yep....I've been given a "pass" many times by a LEO after being stopped, etc......maybe it was 'cause I was white, didn't have long hair, or maybe it was because I had a southern drawl on the side of I-95 in rural south GA....who knows? 'Course I've gotten some tickets, been hassled a bit as a kid, etc. but yes, I have experienced the double standard first hand...more than a few times....all in my favor fwiw.

edited....all in my favor the past three decades that is....

Congrats. I don’t think I ever have. I have been rejected for jobs because they “needed a minority woman to meet affirmative action goals” however.

Wah :)...

OK, I'm sure I have too.....WAH :(

....but if'n ya wanna break into to "good ol' boy" network....well, ya better be a "good ol' boy" also...seen that too.