It was chaos... plane crash at Pearson...

unclebilly · unclebilly's Garage

More of a crunch than a crash...

'It was chaos': Planes collide on Toronto airport tarmac - Toronto - CBC News

flatbutt · 01-06-2018, 07:17 AM

who controls ground traffic? somebody is in trouble.

recycled sixtie · recycled sixtie's Garage

I believe there are fuel vents in the wingtips which probably was the source of fire?
Perhaps misjudged by the pushback crew or pilots? Not good.

unclebilly · unclebilly's Garage

The westjet plane was not moving. Sunwing is obviously to blame and should be apologizing to everyone they inconvenienced. I doubt that will happen though.

recycled sixtie · recycled sixtie's Garage

Rumor has it that the Sunwing aircraft was under tow(driven by groundhandlers or engineers?). Westjet was on the gate with passengers. So as long as WJ was not moving then the Sunwing aircraft was at fault.

Jeff Alton · 01-06-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt

who controls ground traffic? somebody is in trouble.

At many airports the apron is not technically controlled. However at Pearson the do have an Apron control.

Cheers

Mark Henry · 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by recycled sixtie

I believe there are fuel vents in the wingtips which probably was the source of fire?
Perhaps misjudged by the pushback crew or pilots? Not good.

They said it was the APU. I forget which plane, but I think it was the sunwing.

Brian 162 · 01-07-2018, 05:59 PM

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They said it was the APU. I forget which plane, but I think it was the sunwing.

Yep it was the apu on the Sunwing jet that was damaged causing the fire. Believe it or not when the plane was being evacuated some passengers tried grabbing their carry on luggage from the overhead compartments.

RSBob · RSBob's Garage

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Yep it was the apu on the Sunwing jet that was damaged causing the fire. Believe it or not when the plane was being evacuated some passengers tried grabbing their carry on luggage from the overhead compartments.

The idiots grabbing their carry on, which the news showed several, could potentially cost many lives. Seeing this, all planes pre-flight instructions to the passengers should include a sentence stating that in the event of an emergency, all carry on items must be left on the plane and anybody not doing so will be prosecuted. Just unbelievable idiocy.

aap1966 · aap1966's Garage

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Originally Posted by RSBob

The idiots grabbing their carry on, which the news showed several, could potentially cost many lives. Seeing this, all planes pre-flight instructions to the passengers should include a sentence stating that in the event of an emergency, all carry on items must be left on the plane and anybody not doing so will be prosecuted. Just unbelievable idiocy.

Yes, idiots.
But.................

.........we know from repeated studies (and observation) that in an stressful situations, people revert to familiar behaviour. That's why pilots, doctors, etc train, and train.....and then train some more.

The SLF (self loading freight) have no real training about the emergency egress of an aircraft, just a 30 sec talk while they are distracted with getting settled in their seats. So when it does occur, many revert to familiar behaviour-grabbing their carry on.
We don't have the opportunity to 'train' this out of passengers..it'll happen as long as civilians continue to fly.

legion · 01-08-2018, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aap1966

But.................

.........we know from repeated studies (and observation) that in an stressful situations, people revert to familiar behaviour. That's why pilots, doctors, etc train, and train.....and then train some more.

The SLF (self loading freight) have no real training about the emergency egress of an aircraft, just a 30 sec talk while they are distracted with getting settled in their seats. So when it does occur, many revert to familiar behaviour-grabbing their carry on.
We don't have the opportunity to 'train' this out of passengers..it'll happen as long as civilians continue to fly.

To be fair, I don't believe that 30 second talk includes any information about not grabbing your bags. They simply tell you where the exits are and how to use them. It's been a few years since I've flown.

I was watching "Air Disasters" on the Smithsonian Channel last night and they did an episode on Paine Stewart's Learjet crash. At some point in the flight, the valve that supplies air to the cabin from the engine closed and an alarm went off. The pilot and copilot immediately grabbed the manual and turned to the page where it told them how to address the alarm. It contained a confusingly-worded sentence and had them jump right into troubleshooting the problem. It did not tell them to put on oxygen masks while troubleshooting. It is assumed that the pilot and copilot lost consciousness about 15 seconds after the alarm sounded because they attempted to follow the manual.