If that worked, Chicago would be at the bottom of gun crimes statistics.

In a discussion with my wife I brought up the snippet from our local news that metal detectors could be purchased for all schools in Texas for $44M. I expect, after getting x-ray machines and installing everything, we're talking $250M. Doesn't seem an unreasonable price to pay, at around $10 per resident.

However, I pointed out that this will not protect children in the parking lot, or off school grounds, or even in a school bus.

Nothing we do will EVER make everyone safe all the time.

I think a redefinition of 'teacher' is order.

We are taught as youngsters (or were taught) that police officers carrying weapons are our friends, mentors and protectors and demand our respect.

I can see the possibility that open-carrying teachers in the classroom may actually be a good thing.

Copchers, if you will.

The big problem with the metal detector is the perp would just pull the gun at the detector, kill the operator and then continue killing.

At least then the alarms will be going off. If they have a SRO then they can take action also.

We used to be Universal Studios Orlando pass holders a couple of years ago. A few years ago they put in airport style security (I understand Disney did too) which now causes a huge bottle neck of people trying to get in the park.

In respect to this situation I am not thinking school shooter I am thinking Jihad and a strike on Americans where they play. What better target than a theme park?

I told my wife, the attack will not be inside the park it will be in the area where everyone is gathering to go through security.

It is a shame kids have no respect in school anymore. I think a teacher open carrying is a bad idea.

We take for granted our kids and kids they may associate with would never be a problem and are respectful. There are a whole bunch of kids that are not and I am afraid a gun out in the open would be grabbed and used.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+teachers+being+attacked


Continuing what I said above, I thought it odd that the security at Universal has no armed police backing them up. My only thought was there might be something just out of sight that is ready to go if you tried something.

I wish I had an answer to this problem I do not.

I also think, that while it is good to discuss protecting our kids, we need to also not stop discussing why kids are doing this? Is it the prescribed drugs? Is it the culture of bullying?

What is causing these kids to snap and then decide to shoot the place up?

I hate to admit it, but the availability of firearms makes it Easy-Peazy for these broken kids to decide to shoot up the place.

The conundrum is that we will always break some of our children and we will always have firearms.

This is the basis for my inclination to be in favor of making our schools into fortresses. I want our children to sense safety so they can help their children sense safety. That is love.

The world will intrude as it should, until then our children need our protection.

Do you have any interest in joining the discussion the adults are having?

Then why was not this happening 50 years ago when there were shooting classes in the schools? Guns in the school already ready to be used on classmates.

As I said earlier in this thread on any given day in my High School in the 80's there were guns in the parking lot in cars of kids that hunted after school.

When did the shift happen that kids decided that shooting up schools were the answer to their problems?


When did half the boys in the school need to be medicated for ADHD?


My wife read this book years ago seems like it might be relevant now.

https://www.amazon.com/WAR-AGAINST-BOYS-Misguided-Feminism/dp/0684849577

Article written in 2000

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/05/the-war-against-boys/304659/

Because society has changed more in the last year than at any time in history.

I exagerrate. Nevertheless, times now are very different. We gotta adapt or die.

I understand your exaggeration, but want to point out this problem has been festering for more than 20 years now and has been widely ignored.

Guns are not the problem, what has happened that a kid decides to shoot his classmates. Yes I said his because every school shooter in the USA has been a boy.

What did we do to our boys that makes them think this is the right course of action?


Girls get bullied too, probably more than boys, girls cam be brutal *****es. Why are our boys deciding to go on shooting sprees?

It must be guns no way it can be drugs, right?

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/28307-from-prozac-to-parkland-are-psychiatric-drugs-causing-mass-shootings

We take away their fathers as a matter of routine.

Girls generally commit suicide and boys lash out at others.

We no longer have the Leave it to Beaver family units. We have families with 1 single mother, 6 kids and 4 fathers. People now fear disciplining their children for fear of having them taken away or it causing them to no longer be the kids BFF. Very few in authority will actually show there are consequences for the kids actions and the kids are emboldened. The kids brains are rewired because they all have their heads stuck in phones and tablets every 5 minutes. Half of them converse by texting across the table to each other.

I think there is a lot more depression in these young kids because we don't teach them to deal with ADHD or ADD, we just give them drugs to alter their minds instead and I would bet a dollar to donuts that most are misdiagnosed anyway.

The song "I Don't Like Mondays" is about a teen girl who shot at the grammar school across from her home with a deer rifle because she didn't get what she wanted for her birthday (a transistor radio).

In the US, it probably does make sense to have an armed resource officer. I can't actually remember if the resource officer from my high school was armed or not.
Teachers would be considered to be a priority target for shooters. Arming them would make them more of a priority.
Heck ya, let's volunteer for that.... I can see the teachers unions signing up for that.

This quote should break the internet.

IMO probably a leading factor in a lot of issues that kids deal with today. Not knocking divorce, things happen, most of the time a divorce is for the best for all involved; however dads must stay engaged and be allowed to stay engaged. I know a few fantastic divorced dads, unfortunately I also know some bad ones as well. My mom is a great woman, but my dad, what a dude. Not a day goes by that I don’t wish I could talk to him again.

Both good points. Both are saying that removing the right to bear arms does NOT fix the problem yet some folks refuse to admit this and continue to blame law abiding citizen gun ownership.

Boy this really screws up the argument against legal gun ownership:
Man opens fire inside Oklahoma restaurant before 'armed citizen' shoots, kills him, police say | Fox News

Reminds me of this:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1527219304.jpg

We had nuns. "Swamp Angels" we called them...behind their backs.
Tough broads, too, but wanted the best for us.
I remember one (of moderate build) getting between two fighting classmates (football team linemen) and damn near tossing them both to the ground.
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Wait......that was a long time ago.
As you were.

I'm puzzled by this post. Apparently you have created the narrative you need to debate my points rather than addressing my points.