You think kids in other civilized countries are free from bad and harmful thoughts? They are not. They are under as much social pressure as ours are. Their lives are lived through screens. They suffer the same social pressures. The difference is that they do not have access to the tools that permit mass homicide. Someone spouted that there is a rise in knife crime in London because of tight gun laws. Very true. If the Brits had more access to weapons there would be more gun violence and not knife violence. When you are enraged and young with not much to lose you use the weapon that achieves the most effective end - if you can get access to it. If the young disaffected street kids of London had easier access to firearms there would be more death not less.

London’s monthly murder total total surpassed that of NYC for the first time ever, most of that knife crime. That pre-dates their gun control measures btw. So their murder situation is getting worse, not better. A man with a truck killed 86 in Paris and wounded nearly 500 more. Tell me again how gun control is positively impacting violent crime? The sad reality is that crazy people will always find a way to kill people if they desire to kill people. We need to focus on the problem, not the means.

I agree with the first part of your post, we are drugging our kids in this country at an unprecedented rate.


As far as FPS games.. really?

Gaming is the biggest industry in this country and around the world if FPS was responsible for creating school shooters there would be many more than we have now. I seriously doubt a kid playing Fortnight is training for a school shooting.

And staring at porn all the time doesn’t drive basement dwellers to prostitutes.


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Why don't people realize that crazy people don't follow laws. Passing more laws won't stop this. Take away guns and they will use trucks, knives, or whatever else they can find.

Fertilizer......

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My bias is showing? You mean for common sense and pragmatism? I have to admit, those run pretty strong in me. Or are you referring to my bias as a gun owner?

I hate that stupid ****ing phrase emotional knee jerk reaction. It's petty and small and meaningless but, well, it's emotional and the perfect surrogate for not being able to refute a debate point. Don't use it again, you are better than that. There is nothing emotional nor knee jerk about my post. Quite the opposite, it was a dispassionate thesis based on simple, factual observation that the primary reason for the 2nd Amendment has been invalidated by our culture and that kids around the world don't go to schools and kill other kids.

How many school shootings does Canada have on an annual basis? How about Mexico? Germany? England?

Are those numbers emotional? Or are they actual facts?

Moving on, and this also disappoints me, you project that I want to take your guns and my guns away. Jesus Christ that argument is so overused and small and petty.

Part of the problem with the 2nd Amendment is the NRA monetized it and then created a nation of mindless zombie that spew irrelevant bumper sticker debate points any time guns are brought up. So erasing the damage that the NRA, Hollywood, Gaming and poor parenting have done will take 2 generations.

More on this later, so just keep your pants on and maybe post some more irrelevant, emotional crap to back up a poor position.

But here's some homework: How many school shootings are there annually in Canada, Mexico, Germany and England?

Are there crazy people in other countries? (Yes / No) Circle one.

Why don’t you wash the sand out and then we can talk? Responses like yours are why these threads should be in PARF, and why I don’t go there. Also rather ironically, the bulk of your post was emotional and opinion based.

Not at all. Just do the homework and stop with the theatrics.

It's a rhetorical question of course, these mostly seem to be a unique American event. Though mass murders through various means do occur all over the world, and seem to be on the upswing in Europe.

sad to see a phrase like this.

It appears Shaun does not have a working understanding of our Constitution.

Holy Man!!! Looks like Dresden.

No I don't think that FPS games "create murderers" but I certainly would argue that it doesn't contribute to the 'healthy' side of things.

In the same way staring at porn all the time doesn't send anyone to a prostitute but can really twist a kid's (or anyone's) attitudes and perceptions about sex.

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I think you're applying rational thought to an irrational action.

He is willing to compromise your rights he deems YOU shouldn't have.

What I can't understand is why people who claim to be intelligent (not speaking about any one person in particular) can be void of logic in their conclusions. Guns have always been a part of the American home and years ago very common in the schools. Violent crime in schools has gone up although guns are no longer allowed but somehow, it is the legal ownership of guns by citizens that is causing the problem. Really?
If you want to see what has changed then let's look at prayer being taken out of school, Christians being told they can't pray, bring a bible, or use the name of Jesus in their valedictorian speech. But hey, no one wants to see the rise of violence in relation to those things. Maybe its because there is gluten in the food or it is Trump's fault. Anything but how America is pushing toward an increasingly godless society. Naw that couldn't be it.

OBTW, don't whine about my comments being PARF. This thread should have been pushed to PARF level with Shaun's rants.

One more thing: studies prove that pornography is a very real influence in the lives of sexual predators and deviants.

that much is certainly clear.

I have a quick question because I don't know the answer really but this puble/private/charter talk made me think of it.

What is the ratio of mass shootings in a public vs a non-public school?

I've said this before... our public schools are why they are not because of money (for the most part, you can find schools in areas of poverty) but due to not being able to get rid of the miscreants. Public schools HAVE to take everyone and it is very difficult to get rid of a bad apple.

So far, 'we' as society have decided that it is better to leave the 1-3% delinquents in school rather than other places to put them. Unfortunately this drags down the other 97%.

Those who wish for school vouchers commonly point out how well (studious) those from private schools are. HOWEVER, private schools don't put up with the miscreants. So I think it would be safe to say, that if you eliminated the troublesome 3% in public schools, along with the knowledge by the remaining 97% that you can be kicked out, public schools would be very different in scholastic performance.

Public education is a privilege and one of this countries great keystones, yet we don't respect it as such anymore.

SO what do we do with the broken ones rather than leave them in public school? Once upon a time, those folks had menial jobs to make their way that paid well. Those jobs are drying up.

I can see where you are coming from, I do agree over indulgence in porn viewing does desensitize a person. There is another forum that has a no fap November every year where everyone keeps their hands off themselves and abstains from porn, most everyone that participates agrees cutting out the porn actually makes their sex lives better.

My only issue is porn has real people, video games are basically cartoons.

I had a rule with my kids growing up, no killing people in games until they got older.

My older son and I played a ton of Halo and my younger son and I now play Destiny.

I also play Fortnight have no issues with the game play, there is no blood and gore and it is so far from reality there is no confusing it with real life, not even close.