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Anyone watch "Sour Grapes" on Netflix

I watched this short documentary on Netflix - Sour Grapes.

Pretty interesting...about the super high end wine market and the auctions that go with it. Hard to believe people are paying $100,000 for a bottle of wine. It's a collector's sport and this show uncovers a counterfeit market.

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Looks interesting. Ill check it out tonight.
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He screwed with the wrong guy (Koch) - the auction industry was an accomplice. #GreedisGood

And yet it happened again with a wine shop in Berkeley selling futures. Remember folks, if it seems to good to be true, it usually is.
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Terrific documentary. The guy, criminal as he was, had one amazing palate.
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He screwed with the wrong guy (Koch) - the auction industry was an accomplice. #GreedisGood

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I recall seeing Koch being interviewed quite a few years ago about this (haven't seen anything else). Didn't Koch spend like 30 million to nail them ....sometimes it ain't about the $$$
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IDidn't Koch spend like 30 million to nail them ....sometimes it ain't about the $$$
Say's he's worth $1.8B in Wiki. Also says he settled for $3 million with Rudy Kurniawan.

As part of the settlement, Kurniawan was to spill the beans on the counterfeit wine industry. (If this was mentioned in the documentary, I missed it)

I don't know if Koch was doing it for the good of his hobby or revenge for getting ripped off. Both I suspect.
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Say's he's worth $1.8B in Wiki. Also says he settled for $3 million with Rudy Kurniawan.

As part of the settlement, Kurniawan was to spill the beans on the counterfeit wine industry. (If this was mentioned in the documentary, I missed it)

I don't know if Koch was doing it for the good of his hobby or revenge for getting ripped off. Both I suspect.
I suspect Koch is worth substantially more...but I dunno. I did use my googlefu after posting before. Yep, they swindled the wrong guy...he spent 35 million + (according to him), to expose the industry scam....it wasn't about the $...they just pissed off the wrong guy.

The "black sheep" of the three Koch brothers is all right in my world
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I watched this because of the recommendations from here.
Borrrring!
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This was great, but only if you're a wine drinker and understand the culture

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