Should I change the color back?

[1979-930]

I purchased my car knowing the prior owner changed the color. It was one of the reasons I was able to buy it for $45k less than the next car for sale. It basically allowed me to actually get a 930.
I really didn’t care at the time and still don’t to the point it’s a difficult decision.

While rebuilding the suspension I found a battery has leaked and destroyed the lower pan at the suspension mount area. The mounting nuts themselves were ok. So I cut out all the rust and shaped a few pieces of sheet metal to weld in and patch temporarily. Just a basic support repair. I did not want to do the front pan myself (No Cellett in my garage)and have been on the waiting list at Jerry Woods.

My spot in the shop is coming soon and I took the car down last week for them to inspect. The level of disassembly needed to change the pan puts me half way to a glass out repaint. So now I am considering disassembling the car and having my friend work on all the panels while the tub is out. Then he can finish everything when JWE is done with the tub. And Mario is not a Porsche guy but he has several National Wins and at least one SEMA vehicle a year in his shop. And he’s near half the hourly rate of the Porsche shops.

The reasons I don’t want to change it are:
Cost
The current paint is nice
The PTS Indiana Metallic Red is not a great color. It’s ok.
Will I not like the color and regret it??

The reasons for changing are:
Even though Guards Red came out in 73 I feel like it’s a 1986 color. It doesn’t look like a 1979 car to me.
I can only find one other 930 painted in a PTS 924 color. It will probably be the only 930 I or anyone will see in this red.

We all like special things and putting this car back to the so,so red will make it dang near one of one.

Is that worth it???

Now



The only other 930 I can find in Indiana Metallic Red.



Here is a 924 with the color. The color was not used a lot on 924’s either.




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[Matt Monson]

I love that color and have seen it on a couple SCs, but never a 930. I'd do it.

[wilnj]

If you’re not smitten with the original color and as I doubt a repaint in the original color will restore the lost value, there’s no reason to change the color back.



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[GaryR]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I love that color and have seen it on a couple SCs, but never a 930. I'd do it.

I agree, I bet it increases the value beyond the cost to do it...

[911 SLANT]

I would keep it the color you really like. I have had 930s in both of those colors. I liked the Indiana red much more.You got the car so cheap that it would make up the difference in the end when and if you ever sell it. In the mean time enjoy and love it the way you want. Good luck!

[tdw28210]

Probably wouldn't change the color.

[786]

Guards looks much nicer.

IMO, if you’re looking at a glass out respray, make it the color you really want. I also doubt a repaint to the original color will restore the lost value. Look through Porsche’s back catalog and find your favorite color.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by 911 SLANT

I would keep it the color you really like. I have had 930s in both of those colors. I liked the Indiana red much more.You got the car so cheap that it would make up the difference in the end when and if you ever sell it. In the mean time enjoy and love it the way you want. Good luck!

Any pictures of the Indiana Red car?

I can’t say that I hate the color because I have never seen it with my own eyes.

I relate to that color as being period correct because my Quatermidget back then was maroon. My moms Lincoln was silver with maroon vinyl top and interior. Dark reds were in.


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[nathanbs]

If you’re going to paint it I would absolutely take that opportunity to 1)add a huge amount of value back to your car 2)end up with a cooler/way rarer color than Guards Red.
What do suppose the front pan and proper complete respray will set you back?

[786]

Adding a “huge amount” of value is pure conjecture, I find that highly doubtful.

Respray is $5-8k in Texas. Some charge more but that is the range I have heard most often.

[75 911s]

No on India Red personally. I'd stick with Gaurds Red or I would pick a rad 70's color like one of the unique blues, yellows or grays. Or just pick your dream color. Life is short. I would rather drive the car/color of my dreams. It's already been re-sprayed. Nothing to lose imho.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 786

Adding a “huge amount” of value is pure conjecture, I find that highly doubtful.

Respray is $5-8k in Texas. Some charge more but that is the range I have heard most often.

Absolutely not pure conjecture. It’s fact that a car in its original color is worth more than a non-original color. The tough part is he will have to spend a lot a lot of money to add that value back. It will likely cost more than it will add but that’s why I said if you are going to paint it anyways. A proper respray is well over $10k proper front pan is over $5k, curious what kind of quotes he’s prepared for.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 75 911s

No on India Red personally. I'd stick with Gaurds Red or I would pick a rad 70's color like one of the unique blues, yellows or grays. Or just pick your dream color. Life is short. I would rather drive the car/color of my dreams. It's already been re-sprayed. Nothing to lose imho.

It’s not India Red it’s Indiana Red Metallic.

[nathanbs]

Man I would be so excited to be the “custodian” to restore this thing back to it’s original color. I wouldn’t bother doing it though unless you are going to do it properly.

[786]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Absolutely not pure conjecture. It’s fact that a car in its original color is worth more than a non-original color. The tough part is he will have to spend a lot a lot of money to add that value back. It will likely cost more than it will add but that’s why I said if you are going to paint it anyways. A proper respray is well over $10k proper front pan is over $5k, curious what kind of quotes he’s prepared for.

As you said a car in its original color...which this is not. It’s already been resprayed so respraying again to the unsightly original color will not add a ‘huge amount’ of value back imo.

Also, why ask what the costs are then state elevated costs one post later? Very odd. If he’s in Texas (as his location states) he can get the work done for less than $15k. If OP needs shop suggestions please PM me and I’ll tell you exactly who to go to.

[786]

One other thing, go look on BaT and tell me cars need to be their original color to add value. What really matters is the quality and execution of the build. The type of collector who wants originality for originality’s sake is a dying breed. Nowadays, folks care more about quality and execution, these are old cars and many require a fair amount of restorative work. I’d rather buy a car in a pleasant color that has been well built than a car in an unappealing original color that has been resprayed multiple times, just my opinion.

[175K911]

Every other 911 or 930 is Guards Red. Original color would make the car quite unique, and not like every other car at a Porsche cars and coffee or car show.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 786

As you said a car in its original color...which this is not. It’s already been resprayed so respraying again to the unsightly original color will not add a ‘huge amount’ of value back imo.

Also, why ask what the costs are then state elevated costs one post later? Very odd. If he’s in Texas (as his location states) he can get the work done for less than $15k. If OP needs shop suggestions please PM me and I’ll tell you exactly who to go to.

Originally Posted by 786

One other thing, go look on BaT and tell me cars need to be their original color to add value. What really matters is the quality and execution of the build. The type of collector who wants originality for originality’s sake is a dying breed. Nowadays, folks care more about quality and execution, these are old cars and many require a fair amount of restorative work. I’d rather buy a car in a pleasant color that has been well built than a car in an unappealing original color that has been resprayed multiple times, just my opinion.

If it’s stripped and re-sprayed properly you don’t say it’s been painted 4 times you simply state it’s been properly resprayed. Indiana Red Metallic is not an unsightly color, it’s a great color. I am talking apples you are talking oranges. Original cars are worth most with good condition original paint, if it’s not original paint then a proper respray in the original color is the next closest thing. People who appreciate original cars is not a dying breed lol. Where did you get that? BAT again apples and oranges. Just because hotrod 911’s are selling like hot cakes right now doesn’t mean you go out and paint a stock 911 Mexico Blue and it adds value. I asked how much because I want to know what Jerry Woods specifically charges. I’m sorry to say but those paint jobs in Texas you refer to I assure you will not be adding any value as that’s not enough money to cover the hours it takes to do properly.

[jac1976]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

If it’s stripped and re-sprayed properly you don’t say it’s been painted 4 times you simply state it’s been properly resprayed. Indiana Red Metallic is not an unsightly color, it’s a great color. I am talking apples you are talking oranges. Original cars are worth most with good condition original paint, if it’s not original paint then a proper respray in the original color is the next closest thing. People who appreciate original cars is not a dying breed lol. Where did you get that? BAT again apples and oranges. Just because hotrod 911’s are selling like hot cakes right now doesn’t mean you go out and paint a stock 911 Mexico Blue and it adds value. I asked how much because I want to know what Jerry Woods specifically charges. I’m sorry to say but those paint jobs in Texas you refer to I assure you will not be adding any value as that’s not enough money to cover the hours it takes to do properly.

This. If the car is otherwise original, then the original color will add value. And I’ll add that I wouldn’t use BaT as a measuring stick for collector car values or the worth of originality.

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

If it’s stripped and re-sprayed properly you don’t say it’s been painted 4 times you simply state it’s been properly resprayed. Indiana Red Metallic is not an unsightly color, it’s a great color. I am talking apples you are talking oranges. Original cars are worth most with good condition original paint, if it’s not original paint then a proper respray in the original color is the next closest thing. People who appreciate original cars is not a dying breed lol. Where did you get that? BAT again apples and oranges. Just because hotrod 911’s are selling like hot cakes right now doesn’t mean you go out and paint a stock 911 Mexico Blue and it adds value. I asked how much because I want to know what Jerry Woods specifically charges. I’m sorry to say but those paint jobs in Texas you refer to I assure you will not be adding any value as that’s not enough money to cover the hours it takes to do properly.

I agree with almost everything you said except that demographics does have a role in the cost of a paint job or mechanical service. I had a buddy in Kansas that used to have his Ferrari's serviced at a place that charged $75.00 an hour back in 2014. Same can be said for many other services too.