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Car has already ricocheted off the bridge wall on the right.
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Side note, Owning and flying a taildragger airplane, as soon as I start thinking I am ready to fly the space shuttle, that little plane cuts me off at the knees, that’s after 23,000 hrs of flight time, 20,000 as PIC. but only 5-6000 in taildraggers over 30 or 40 different makes and models. Point is, currency is everything, car or plane. Plus from the damage to the cars it appears the speed delta was probably fairly large. Not to mention the dirt or turf below the right rear bumper. |
Watch a slow-motion video of a crash test and you’ll see how much the human body moves during a frontal collision - In a car this old, head injuries while correctly belted in a severe collision wouldn’t entirely surprise me. As for the belts, all US-market cars have been required to have front shoulder belts since about 1968.
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Oh dear!
"airlifted" gives a guess that injuries must have been severe :-( hope he gets well soon. that only counts |
Looks like there’s a roll bar. I wonder if it played a part in the reported head injuries.
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Like driving at 75 MPH in heavy rain and saying the rain caused the hydroplaning. Nope, just driving too fast for conditions. It is a shame he crashed, and I hope he makes a full recovery. The car can be replaced. |
Okay. Enough with the speculation. The guy crashed. Mechanical failure, road conditions, driver error, 2020, or a combination of all of them. It shouldn’t make a **** to anyone posting here. Give well-wishes and be done with it.
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Guess the sign was right.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607457537.JPG Note apparent damp pavement. Same last November closer to the bridge. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607457615.JPG That's three warnings. However, I'm not sure I'd have believed there would be ice in mid-30s weather. But if I saw pavement coloring like in the Google shots I hope I would have taken something off. What time was the accident? |
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Sorry I deleted my post you responded to but here it is again. Don't ignore the signs. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607458040.jpg |
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That roll bar for example, is it advisable in a road car ? |
Is anyone arguing the roll bar? It may have contributed to his injuries and this is a known risk with a roll bar, but it did not cause the wreck. This is my point. This is what is being speculated.
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While we are being accident investigators, here are a couple of questions on the circled areas and other things:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607462392.jpg Is the triangular area circled the left side door wing window? Broken off from the upper frame? Is the left side door area circled a dent in the door? These would indicate the driver was thrown violently to his left, which seems consistent with the likely vector - car moving from right to left after smacking right rear on bridge. Accident investigators use dumps of sand, gravel, or other accumulated debris under a vehicle as a way of locating the point of impact, on the theory that the impact shook this kind of stuff loose. Here, the POI isn't much in doubt, though the SUV might have moved back a bit if the driver had hit the brakes hard pre-impact. But why would such a well prepared 911 have that much crud (circled) on its underside back there? Especially after the contact with the right rear and the bridge concrete railing, which one might think could have shaken stuff off there? Note the steering shaft exposed. The crash likely popped its fiber cover off as the front end collapsed (and absorbed some energy). Porsche was rightly proud of the fact that the steering shaft offset and two U joints meant the steering wheel was less likely to be shoved back into the driver, and in the photo the steering wheel looks to be about where it should be. From my experience, I think examination of the floor pan where passenger feet would be will show it was displaced 6-8" rearward, and folded up, like a pinch weld seam, and this damage will have propagated to the center tunnel, moving the pedal cluster back a little. And a little is enough for the clutch not to disengage. Looks to be a 2.7, no rear flares added, but given a slight retro look by removing the trim under the doors. No telling what the motor is, though. Also has aftermarket brake calipers. Those, plus the roll bar, suggest a pretty active DE history. The stickers on the quarter window suggest club membership or memberships, or event attendance? Someone will know if he is PCA or POC or NASA? I'm a bit surprised to see the SUV's (or is it a pickup?) left front tire flat. Wow - absorbed enough force to knock the bead loose? Or something? I do have an extra sense of security driving my GMC5500 tow vehicle. |
Black ice catches people out, its hard to see, can catch you well below the speed limit. It barley matters what tires your on unless they are studded.
I let the 911's rest this time of year... I don't trust the safety of a 40-50 year old car. The driver of this wreck is lucky that big truck didn't completely big foot it. |
Walt...the door was most likely destroyed when removing the driver from the vehicle.....the 'jaws of life' work efficiently and dramatically on material.
If you live in this area then all of the weather hazards should be known: e.g. early morning ice especially under overhanging tree's and on bridges cooled top and bottom that thaw last...it is fall...wet leaves are like banana peels. Driving aggressively around blind corners with no real road shoulder is not the place to let it out unless under controlled conditions....a sponsored hill climb etc..... Overdriving the conditions is driver error...... I hope the individual recovers to try that corner again. |
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I'm also guessing the truck went further up the hood with it's front bumper all the way up to the windshield, then rolled back off the hood. Best wishes for a full recovery. |
SpeedHunters ?
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no one mention the vertical offset?
low sports car meets high clearance truck... |
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