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Jonny H 01-14-2021 07:04 AM

It's kind of strange that the US has many more AC shops compared to the UK, yet most do not seem to have pressure test equipment. Even our local village garage has a bottle of nitrogen.

The reason we favour the pressure testing is because it is pushing the o-rings out, just like running the compressor will. When you vacuum, you are pulling the o-rings in, which can have a self-sealing effect even if the o-ring is pinched or split. Also, if you do have a leak, it is just nitrogen going into the atmosphere, rather than freon, plus it takes longer to de gas and re gas.

Having said all that, you will probably be ok. Good luck!

targa80 01-14-2021 08:11 AM

Jonny,

I agree that a pressure test would be the best way to go but as I said earlier the A/C suppliers say go with the vacuum and hope for the best. I was very careful with making the crimps and each of the connections. I used PAG-46 oil on each of the “O” rings and made sure the connectors seated properly and the system held vacuum overnight. I won’t be charging the system until I re-install the CIS/air box and then re-install the motor. The engine install will have to wait on the delivery of the alternator from FedEx. The alternator was separated from the other two boxes and has been stuck in Memphis Tennessee at the large FedEx facility before Dec 23rd and they are not very helpful in expediting the package.

Jonny H 01-14-2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by targa80 (Post 11181817)
Jonny,

I agree that a pressure test would be the best way to go but as I said earlier the A/C suppliers say go with the vacuum and hope for the best. I was very careful with making the crimps and each of the connections. I used PAG-46 oil on each of the “O” rings and made sure the connectors seated properly and the system held vacuum overnight. I won’t be charging the system until I re-install the CIS/air box and then re-install the motor. The engine install will have to wait on the delivery of the alternator from FedEx. The alternator was separated from the other two boxes and has been stuck in Memphis Tennessee at the large FedEx facility before Dec 23rd and they are not very helpful in expediting the package.

Sure, just clarifying. I am chasing that alternator for you. Install is looking great! :cool:

targa80 01-14-2021 04:59 PM

Day 13,

Today, I closed up the two large holes and one small hole in the smugglers box that were used by the old evaporator. Added the new drain line that connects to the two drain holes at the bottom of the new blower. Installed the two temp sensors and the usb connector. I routed the usb connector into the passenger side for easy access during the setup and testing phase. The power connections will be done after I complete the new 175 amp alternator install and reinstall the motor.

The smugglers box is pretty full with the dryer and compressor and associated hoses and power cables.

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The smugglers box cover closes and leaves the frunk fairly neat. There is an increase in the amount of air ducts but that will be covered with the frunk carpeting.

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targa80 01-21-2021 01:22 PM

Day 14,

Yesterday, I finally received the 175 amp alternator. It was stuck/lost in the FedEx facility in Memphis Tennessee for almost a month. Made many phone calls trying to get them to track it down and deliver the package. Fortunately the alternator was packaged very well and sustained no damage.

Ran the new #4 red cable through an existing hole in the fan shroud using a black grommet.

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Enlarged an existing hole in the engine tin to pass the cable through a black grommet.

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Installed the new alternator with the Df wire taped off and the three brown wires tied to the chassis ground terminal. Needed to file the key way slot on the fan slightly to remove a burr that prevented it from mating with the new keyway on the alternator shaft.

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It turns out that the new alternator has a thicker shaft and different threads so the fan belt assembly fits with the shims but the large curved washer hole is to small to fit on the shaft. I will probably just enlarge the hole in the curved washer and use the new nut to hold the assembly together. I am waiting on a response from Jonny on his recommendation to resolve this minor issue. I would have thought that they would have provided a replacement for the curved washer. I have the drill press so fixing it is not a problem. Just another item I did not expect during the install.

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dyerkes 01-21-2021 04:35 PM

Hi Pat,

Unless Jonny has switched companies the curved washer fit my upgraded alternator on my 1987 911.

David

targa80 01-21-2021 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyerkes (Post 11192302)
Hi Pat,

Unless Jonny has switched companies the curved washer fit my upgraded alternator on my 1987 911.

David

My marchal alternator is original from 1980 and has a smaller shaft (16MM) and lower ampere rating than your 1987 model. My options are to buy the 17 MM curved washer or to just enlarge the hole to 17MM on my existing curved washer. I will drill out the curved washer tomorrow.

harv666 01-21-2021 05:42 PM

How hard do you think the hook up to the starter solenoid is without a lift, am I looking at an impossible task or do you think it could be achieved on jack stands?

targa80 01-21-2021 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harv666 (Post 11192464)
How hard do you think the hook up to the starter solenoid is without a lift, am I looking at an impossible task or do you think it could be achieved on jack stands?

If I had to I believe I could do it using jack stands with a partial engine drop. Since the lug to the starter seems larger and has a larger bolt hole, feed the cable from the starter with the smaller lug towards the fan shroud. The engine tin behind the starter only has 4 bolts holding it in place above the engine oil cooler and can be removed. The rubber grommet with the harness through it is held in place and can be slid upwards and off of the engine tin. My tin already had an extra hole that I enlarged for the red cable. Add a grommet for safety. Then it would only require a hole or make a hole in the shroud to get the cable to the new alternator.

gremlin 01-22-2021 10:10 AM

On the vacuum vs pressure test with my install I had a leak we simply could not find the shop spent quite a while on it, then I ended up taking the car home and in a few days the refrigerant was gone. I started digging and looking around with the UV light, and then found out the shop hadn't done the pressure test as required. So instead I found another shop that said they could do the pressure test, they did it and immediately found and fixed the issue, it held for at least a couple of months after that (now the car is in storage for the winter).

You might get lucky with the leaks, but the pressure test is worth it IMHO.

targa80 01-22-2021 10:55 AM

gremlin,

Where was your leak?

Jonny H 01-22-2021 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by targa80 (Post 11192428)
My marchal alternator is original from 1980 and has a smaller shaft (16MM) and lower ampere rating than your 1987 model. My options are to buy the 17 MM curved washer or to just enlarge the hole to 17MM on my existing curved washer. I will drill out the curved washer tomorrow.

I believe the alternator with the 16mm shaft was only used for a short period around 1980. Previous and subsequent cars had 17mm. Just the usual Porsche weirdness. It’s only the ‘cup’ washer that is too small. The other parts all fit and the new alternators come with a nut.

targa80 01-23-2021 03:24 PM

Day 15,

It should be noted that yes I am on day 15 but my work days are only about 6 hours and I have been side tracked due to honey dues and having the engine out for a blown air box. With the engine out i decided this was a good time to do the A/C upgrade. If I was just doing the A/C upgrade I can guarantee that it would have been done a lot sooner, but I’m retired so I can take my time and have fun in the garage with Der Porsche.

Today was spent putting the engine back in the car and making all the mechanical, fuel, oil and electrical connections. Started to install new axel shafts I bought from our host and I noticed they came with no gaskets. Looks like I will either make a set of gaskets or order them and be delayed another week.

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harv666 01-24-2021 10:15 AM

Washer bottle install help
 
I’m in the middle of the washer tank move. Did you have to remove the original washer pump in the trunk? Or does that stay connected?

Confused by this one as my washer lines run to the front of the car and split into 3 there probably because i have the headlight washers

Quote:

Originally Posted by targa80 (Post 11160805)
Day 3,
Bbh


I spent the morning flushing out my original front condenser and testing the fan function. I have decided to keep this condenser and add it to the system and these are my reasons:

1. It will add to the dissipation of heat and hopefully help lower cabin vent temps.
2. While testing the fan it did push a decent amount of air.
3. It will be right in line with the left front fender main condenser. (Not a lot of added hose.
4. A second condenser costs ~$350 plus shipping.
5. I still have the trombone oil cooler so my right front fender is not available for a new condenser.
6. I don’t like the idea of running lines to the back left rear fender well.
7. At the beginning of this thread I asked for any positive or negative opinions on keeping the front condenser. I received no comments so I will go with the old adage no news is good news.

Now that I have made my decision on keeping the front condenser I realized I should install the window washer bottle to the back of the left front fender using Classic Retrofits mod kit and a used boxer complete washer bottle I bought off eBay for $52 that included shipping and the pump and rubber grommets. I decided to tackle this so I could install the wiring harness to the front fender open holes before installing the condenser.


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Mounted the two brackets and the water line to the spray heads.

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The manual stated to leave the two back mounting screws loose so you could adjust the water bottle up as far as it would go and then remove and tighten the two bolts. I decided to move the bracket up as far as I could and still have good contact with the bolts tightened. The tank mounted into the space with no issues.

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This is a side view of the wheel well. I won’t know if I have an issue with the tire until it is back on the ground.


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targa80 01-24-2021 10:36 AM

I do not have the headlight washer system so I completely removed pump from the front of frunk. Used the holes on the front driver side fender well to run power lines for new pump and new condenser Fan. You will need to figure how you are going to tie in your headlight washer with the new pump.

harv666 01-24-2021 10:44 AM

Don’t need them
 
I’m not worried about hooking them up just wondering if i remove the pump and where does the washer line come from that i run out to the new washer tank in the hole by the filler?


Quote:

Originally Posted by targa80 (Post 11195807)
I do not have the headlight washer system so I completely removed pump from the front of frunk. Used the holes on the front driver side fender well to run power lines for new pump and new condenser Fan. You will need to figure how you are going to tie in your headlight washer with the new pump.


targa80 01-24-2021 02:47 PM

The line comes from the two spray heads and connects to the pump output from the boxer tank pump. In the second picture you can see that the hose line is long because it use to go to the front of the frunk and connect to the old pump.

targa80 01-24-2021 03:25 PM

Day 16,

Decided to make my own gaskets for the two rear axels because I did not want to wait another week for delivery. Installed the axels and torqued the bolts to 34 FtLb.

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Ran the engine without the fuel pump to circulate the oil before trying to start the motor. The motor fired right up on the first try. Idled at 1000 and climbed to 1400 and started to drop off as it became warm settled down to 850 rpm’s. It looks like my air box rebuild after it exploded has been a success. Adjusted throttle up to 950 and took it for a spin. The engine has some popping out the exhaust and since I reconnected the decel valve to the vacuum circuit I started having the idle staying over 2000 while dropping out of gear for a stop. So I will be sorting those out before getting to finish the A/C install. The alternator is putting out over 14 volts and no issues with the generator light.

Jonny H 01-26-2021 11:32 AM

Every time I look at this thread I get wheel well envy! Soooooo clean.

mepstein 01-26-2021 02:14 PM

A lot of times your local FLAPS can get the gaskets in a day. They get them from Worldpac.


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