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JKarow08 04-16-2025 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 12448461)
You're forgetting the vast majority of the country uses road salt, which means no, nobody is driving their aircooled safari build in a corrosive mess.

The vast majority of this country has like zero off road trails; ex: Wisconsin has NO public offroad trails, so unless you own property with private trails, you literally can't use your Safari build properly. Out west, sure, maybe, if you're near appropriate trails, but the vast majority of the country's population is in developed areas without offroad access, so road cars make more sense.


I understand the salt concern, definitely wouldn't bring a pre-galvanized car out in salt/brine covered roads, but if you are diligent about washing/fluid filming them, I think you can get away with driving later air cooled cars in the winter, especially on backroads where they generally use less/no salt. I daily drove a rare '71 c30 short dually in Central WI winters for a few years and it is still as rust free as the day I bought it.

It's tough to imagine living in WI and claiming there are zero offroad public trails in the state. I lived there for about 3 decades of my life and can attest to literally thousands of miles of off-road trails/roads to rip a safari build around. Most of the northern half of Adams county where I lived last was mostly gravel/sand roads, and I'd bet north of highway 64 ("the north woods") has more unpaved roads than paved. Wisconsin is a safari/rally car paradise if you get out of Milwaukee and Madison. In fact, a top 10 overland trail in the country is in WI, the Trans WI Adventure Trail (TWAT), all of which is safari 911 nirvana, about half of which is on unpaved public roads, 600 miles in total. If you live in or near WI and haven't done the TWAT you absolutely should, it's a definite bucket list experience, and if you do I'm sure your opinion on the utility of a safari build in WI will change.

JKarow08 04-16-2025 04:26 PM

My favorite Adams County WI proving grounds, would be pure bliss in a safari 911 (turn down the volume if you don't like Slipknot...it's good rally music lol)...

https://youtu.be/roOMVtH4peE?si=X63P0jZ0sGdMKl8D

JKarow08 04-16-2025 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 12448461)
You're forgetting the vast majority of the country uses road salt, which means no, nobody is driving their aircooled safari build in a corrosive mess.

The vast majority of this country has like zero off road trails; ex: Wisconsin has NO public offroad trails, so unless you own property with private trails, you literally can't use your Safari build properly. Out west, sure, maybe, if you're near appropriate trails, but the vast majority of the country's population is in developed areas without offroad access, so road cars make more sense.

WI has also had some of the best Rallyx events in the country, particularly when they used to run head to head events at USAIR in Shawano. There was actually a clean, basically stock 912 running at the last event I did. Rallyx > autox by far, and there are a half dozen or so events in WI every year, not including winter ice racing.

https://youtu.be/Iw6Wl2WSPsU?si=0eB2BKqU7aNkhfJt

3literpwr 04-20-2025 06:41 AM

I just shipped my car back to Northern Michigan from Ojai California for access to Sno Drift and Lake Superior pro rallys. Lots of good gravel and forest roads and two track roads all over Michigan.

JKarow08 04-21-2025 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 3literpwr (Post 12450458)
I just shipped my car back to Northern Michigan from Ojai California for access to Sno Drift and Lake Superior pro rallys. Lots of good gravel and forest roads and two track roads all over Michigan.

Northern MI as in the UP? If so, you are so close to the TWAT that it would be a shame not to complete it in that beautiful beast! It would be a great tune up and is an absolutely incredible experience, and doing it in your rally car would take it to the next level. I'll be in WI for a couple of months completing my 911 rally build starting the end of May, I'd happily navigate the TWAT for you for a little bit of wheel time along the way;)

JKarow08 04-21-2025 08:02 AM

Everyone with a safari 911 should put the TWAT on their bucket list! I've done it twice, once on a dual sport motorcycle (Cagiva Gran Canyon) and once in an overland rigged AWD GMC Savana van. A safari/rally 911 would be the best of both worlds, about as much fun as you could have with your pants on;)

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JKarow08 04-21-2025 08:40 AM

For reference...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1745253574.jpg

JKarow08 04-21-2025 08:43 AM

The famous "TWAT shot"...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1745253765.jpg


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