Was he just being nice? (3.6 SC vs. M3)

[350HP930]

Originally posted by jpinkert
Also, the horsepower wars of the 2000s are no big whoop. There's not much out there that a mildly warmed over 930 can't show its tail-lights to.

[dd74]

My (real) concern with one of these blown fwd-to-awd econoboxes is longevity. Despite its go-fast appeal and ability, cornering or what have you, will it have the same temperment after 1 or 200,000 miles, which is fairly much the going lifespan of a well taken care of 911, 2.7s included if rebuilt well.

The flipside of this is, of course, modifying your 911 to stay up with these new cars. That cuts the 911's lifespan quite a bit, but we all know that.

I can't get worked up - and I think no one on this board should get worked up - about high-horsepower disposability. Their ubiquity is pronounced in comparison of older sports cars. The 350-Z takes a cue from the 240-Z, which is an outstanding sports car. The new Mazda RX calls long distance to its ancestral RX-7 of the late-70s to early 90s. Comparisons like that take whatever uniqueness there is out of an object when it's being compared to something else. This wouldn't be the case if it had any uniqueness to begin with.

Or here's another thought: when was the last time a Porsche was compared to another Porsche?

[Victor]

Originally posted by dd74

Or here's another thought: when was the last time a Porsche was compared to another Porsche?

Just go over to the 944/928 board and tell them how vastly superior our 911's are.

[CamB]

Whichever post it was about heritage - lets remember that at the moment Porsche racing is mostly heritage and not much current form (although the GT3 is very very cool - but they race against each other).

Subaru has been moderately or very successful with the Impreza in the WRC for a decade. WRC just doesn't get much coverage in the US - it is HUGE in Europe and Asia/Pacific.

http://www.swrt.com/

My (real) concern with one of these blown fwd-to-awd econoboxes is longevity. Despite its go-fast appeal and ability, cornering or what have you, will it have the same temperment after 1 or 200,000 miles, which is fairly much the going lifespan of a well taken care of 911, 2.7s included if rebuilt well.

Its ok - not great, not bad. There are plenty of 10 year old WRXs here which have been thrashed, have +/- 100k miles and still go perfectly well.

If you maintained one like people maintain a 911, it would last a long time...

[1982911sc]

Wait I do remember an older Subaru, I am not sure it is 20 years old but close. THE JUSTY!!! Anyone remember that speed demon.

I am quaking in my boots thinking about running into one of those at a stoplight at 3:00 am. I think it was most noteworthy as being one of the most economical cars of it's time. Pretty cool!

And again, the WRX is a pretty sweet car. Whole different deal than the old 911.

[stuartj]

Heres an older one.

Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI)- Subaru- traces its beginnings to Nakajima Aircraft Co., Ltd., founded in 1917.

[island911]

Ah, the classic is the Subaru Brat; reaching back 26 years.



The sporty Brat was sold from 1977 to 1987.

With their high production numbers coupled, with the Subaru quality build, the number of these cars now on the road vastly out number similar year Porsche 911s. . . .and the classic Brat styling -- WOW!

TIC

[wrx paul]

I might be looking too far into this but something about that guy's post when he mentions about the people asking him about his car at a party and what not.
That can be seen as offensive to us 911 owners. I in now way have a 911 because I want attention. I prefer otherwise. I would rather be the guy everyone underestimates and then blow by them on the track. I did not get a 911 to be noticed, I got one to have a car I have always dreamed about. It's not the 993 turbo I always wanted, but I'm still waiting on that winning lottery ticket. I make do with what I have and try to have fun above all else. The funny thing is that my wrx gets a lot of attention. It's tolerable, but mostly from young couples who want something sporty that they can fit the family in when they have to.
I also get a lot of annoying comments when people see my tires. "Hey you need new tires, they're bald!" is a common one, and the fact that even mechanics have said this to me makes me cringe. Aren't they suppost to know about cars? I feel like saying "No, moron they are suppost to be that way!" but no I just don't feel like getting into it, so I say "I know" and skip educating these dumb asses. I guess r compounds aren't that common???

[1982911sc]

Originally posted by wrx paul
I might be looking too far into this but something about that guy's post when he mentions about the people asking him about his car at a party and what not.
That can be seen as offensive to us 911 owners. I in now way have a 911 because I want attention. I prefer otherwise. I would rather be the guy everyone underestimates and then blow by them on the track. I did not get a 911 to be noticed, I got one to have a car I have always dreamed about. It's not the 993 turbo I always wanted, but I'm still waiting on that winning lottery ticket. I make do with what I have and try to have fun above all else. The funny thing is that my wrx gets a lot of attention. It's tolerable, but mostly from young couples who want something sporty that they can fit the family in when they have to.
I also get a lot of annoying comments when people see my tires. "Hey you need new tires, they're bald!" is a common one, and the fact that even mechanics have said this to me makes me cringe. Aren't they suppost to know about cars? I feel like saying "No, moron they are suppost to be that way!" but no I just don't feel like getting into it, so I say "I know" and skip educating these dumb asses. I guess r compounds aren't that common???

Hey please take no offense, You may have purchased your 911 to race. I am love with it's history and heritage I have a million books on Porsche, the family, the history etc. I actually do most of my own work on my 911 as well. I am not some f*ing tea toting country club bastard either, I actually am not thrilled with anything post 1989 that Porsche has built (don't get me wrong I would take a gt3 in a second!) . The 911 is my dream car as well. My points are that if you look at the roots and the lineage it is on a differant planet than many, many other OEM's. So in a way it offends me a little bit that some of these other cars are compared to Porsche. You are only looking at performance not the entire picture. Oh and yes I know what an R compound tire is but how do you know when it is worn out? If is already bald??, with a name like WRX Dan I am not surprised you would have comment on this thread!

[wrx paul]

Originally posted by 1982911sc
Hey please take no offense, You may have purchased your 911 to race. I am love with it's history and heritage I have a million books on Porsche, the family, the history etc. I actually do most of my own work on my 911 as well. I am not some f*ing tea toting country club bastard either, I actually am not thrilled with anything post 1989 that Porsche has built (don't get me wrong I would take a gt3 in a second!) . The 911 is my dream car as well. My points are that if you look at the roots and the lineage it is on a differant planet than many, many other OEM's. So in a way it offends me a little bit that some of these other cars are compared to Porsche. You are only looking at performance not the entire picture. Oh and yes I know what an R compound tire is but how do you know when it is worn out? If is already bald??, with a name like WRX Dan I am not surprised you would have comment on this thread!

I agree too. As for R compounds, they do have some tread so you can see the indicators wear in. It's just that there are some tread patterns with slick sections.

[nostatic]

To write off Subie as a company with toaster heritage is a tad lame. Shall we mention some of Porsche's history?

I've seen Subies with hundreds of thousands of miles. And if owners were as anal with them (and dumped as much money into them) as p-car owners, there would likely be a ton still on the road. Sure, they have cheaper materials and don't have the snob appeal of a Porsche. But as far as what's going on NOW? Who is more committed to motorsports competition right now...Subie or Porsche?

If only they could make the STi just a tad less ugly, and create a 3-door hatchback version...

In the end they are very different cars that have some crossover appeal in certain areas, no relation in others.

[1fastredsc]

Actually, if you read between the lines porsche is still commited, but is holding back for the right time to unleash. I think the the next year or two we might be very surprised. As far as this discussion goes, i believe the original intent was for someone to figure out how his car holds against the new m3 and whether he underestamated his car or not. The WRX has nothing to do with it, and i'm appauled at how many people were offended that someone would compare a wrx to a 14-38 year old porsche. Who cares, you don't see Mechanical Engineer under their title do you? Opinions are like *********s, everyone has one. Personally i know why i purchased my porsche and won't drive something else. Could it be that i've driven both and some others for the comparison, or maybe because i'm a second year ME?

[RallyJon]

If opinions are like *********s, what are over-inflated egos like?

[island911]

Astroids ?

[1fastredsc]

They are like hemroids cause they come out of nowhere and are hard to fix