Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6
Unhappy Emissions/Lambda

Hi, I am having problems getting my 1983 911 SC to pass smog. This car has a good history of running good and always being able to pass the stringent emissions here in Southern California.

The car runs very well with the O2 sensor disconnected, and feel it may even pass by leaning out the the mixture and leaving the O2 sensor disconnected.

With the O2 sensor connected it is running rich, it pulses at idle, it blows out black smoke when reved, and sluggish throttle response. If I attempt to lean the mixture screw (CCW) it just gets worse which seams to be overly rich condition. How is this happening?

I've checked the lambda system throughly in the following manner:

With digital duty cycle meter connected to the test port, grounding the O2 input lead causes the indacator to drop (associated with the frequency valve to also change audible pitch). Conversly connecting a 1.5 volt battery causes a change in the opposite direction on both the meter and frequency valve pitch. This seams to indacate that the lambda computer is working correctly.

Also I have checked all power , grounds, and switch input signals to the computer and enrichment module and relay. All were OK. What is the enrichment module for? Do these go bad? I opened it up and found NO obvious damage(burnt resistors...)

I,m starting to loose sleep over this. I appreciate any suggestions.

TIA
Michael Sirolli

Old 09-08-2003, 03:59 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
PRO Motorsports
 
Tyson Schmidt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Burbank, CA
Posts: 4,580
This might seem overly simplistic, but have you tried a new oxygen sensor?
__________________
'69 911E coupe' RSR clone-in-progress (retired 911-Spec racer)
'72 911T Targa MFI 2.4E spec(Formerly "Scruffy")
2004 GT3
Old 09-08-2003, 10:44 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered
 
Jim Smolka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Hickory NC USA
Posts: 2,502
With the engine cold, measure the resistance of the of the signal wire to ground. Should be very high resistance. (I think SC's had only one wire O2 sensors). With the car running and hot, disconnect the O2 sensor wire and measure the voltage comming out. Should be around 0.7 VDC.
__________________
'75 914-6 3.2 (Track Car)
'81 SC 3.6 (Beast)
'993 Cab (Almost Done Restoring)
Old 09-09-2003, 03:18 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Manassas Va
Posts: 768
I'm with Tyson, replace the O2 sensor and then have the air mixture adjusted properly.
__________________
Dan O
84' 3.2 Targa
Old 09-09-2003, 06:20 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Superman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Lacey, WA. USA
Posts: 25,310
Or just disconnect the darned thing and have someone set your mixture really lean. Pass emissions. Richen mixture. Smile and drive.
__________________
Man of Carbon Fiber (stronger than steel)

Mocha 1978 911SC. "Coco"
Old 09-09-2003, 06:28 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
Eugene at Pelican Parts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 496
Exactly which emission are you exceeding? That may offer some profound clues.

Somehow my SC passed CA smog easily, and I have no smog pump, a disconnected EGR, and a leaky CIS. Go figure.
__________________
Eugene (Formerly) at Pelican Parts
Pelican's E-Commerce Guy, 2003-2011

2001 330i Sport
1983 911SC Coupe (sold)
Old 09-09-2003, 07:50 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6
Thanks all. I 've put in a new O2 sensor. With the sensor removed I can set the mixture with a Gunson to .5% CO and it runs very smooth. Then reconnecting the sensor causes RPM to oscillate.
turk
Old 09-09-2003, 01:58 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Manassas Va
Posts: 768
There's really no point in putting in a new sensor and then disconnecting it to set the mixture is there? I'd try connecting it and then set the mixture so that the system does what it's suppose to do.
__________________
Dan O
84' 3.2 Targa
Old 09-10-2003, 05:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6
DanO setting the mixture with O2 sensor disconnected is the proper proceedure IAW Porsche.

Can I retard or advance the ignition slightly just to help?

Does anyone know of a off the shelf smog pass fuel additive that wil help?

I have one more shot at this before I go the ... other ... route!
Old 09-10-2003, 07:56 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
dandrews64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sonoma County, California
Posts: 478
Resurrecting old thread.

There is a duty cycle test port referred to here.

Where is it??

1982 911SC.

(I'm testing control pressures and want to set CO's using the dwell meter cheat).

Thanks !!
__________________
Doug Andrews
1982 911SC Targa
2008 Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton
2004 Armada
1999 Honda XR400
Old 12-10-2005, 12:39 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Mahwah, NJ
Posts: 314
Man, you guys got it tough in California. I'm installing a set of European Racing Headers into a pair of racing muffs on my 87. Think I'll make it through inspection? I don't really care! I ain't going anymore! I'd rather have the ticket.
__________________
Mark
1987 Carrera
2018 GMC Sierra Denali 2500 Duramax
2012 Harley Davidson FLHX Street Glide
Old 12-10-2005, 10:12 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered
 
dandrews64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sonoma County, California
Posts: 478
Bump

Where is the Duty Cycle Test Port on an '82 911 SC ?

__________________
Doug Andrews
1982 911SC Targa
2008 Silverado Duramax 3/4 ton
2004 Armada
1999 Honda XR400
Old 12-11-2005, 06:09 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:20 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.