All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular" 911s?

[mmm]

Originally posted by APorscheOne
I don't have all the info in front of me, so it probably won't be until
tomorrow. I'll take digital photos(I don't have a scanner) this evening of the window sticker, as well as the Porsche literature regarding this edition.

OK, thank you very much. I'll be on the lookout, but please post a link here if you would.

[mmm]

Originally posted by white87911
Well, I f you want the best car you can get, then get the best car you can get. I personally do not care for the Anniversery cars, etc. When I bought my car I traveled about 1,200 miles to look at 2 "all original cars" and they were not. I finally drove 700 miles to Ohio to by a purely unmolested 15,000 mile 87 911. As far as the car go, I would go with the one that has changed the least.

If the radio / speaker were changed, who know if the cut up the wiring harness or door panels. If the ehaust was changed, is the cat still there. Some peoplke change steering wheels, if the original one is not here, it might be very dificualt to find a original if it is of an off color.

Besides if someone is going to mess up your car it might as well be you. Therefore, I say, buy the most original, well maintained, unmiolested car you can find. That way you know what you are getting and as long as you dont screw it up, the resale value will be there.

Just my 2 cents.

Erik

Yar, these both appear to be all original and unmolested. Except that one has a dealer installed mobile phone that is of course hopelessly out of date, and tint film on the windows. Not sure how much of a hack job either of those installs were, how much of the car/trim was taken apart in the process, and what problems exist as a result. Oh, and one car is missing it's antenna? Not sure what that's about. Maybe he meant the antenna for the phone? I'm looking into it.

[mmm]

Originally posted by nostatic
your purposes seem somewhat at odds. I wouldn't take a collectible car to the track. Nor would I use it as a daily driver (if you want it to remain collectible). imho, you need to narrow what you think you want to do with the car and then buy the best example that fits with your needs and psyche. If you want a daily driver that does track duty (that's what mine is), I wouldn't be looking at paying a premium for *anything* that someone considered "collectible." Just find a solid car, perferably one that some has already modded in a way you like (or bone stock if you want to start from scratch and burn a lot of money), buy it and be happy.

There have been plenty of cases of people buying very nice examples, then they are too paranoid to actually use the damn thing. I was somewhat in that camp (although mine has been a daily driver since I bought it) until my concrete incident. Since then, I've been modding away with drills and saws and whatever else is needed. No going back now...

And from someone who's been there, done that...you're over analyzing this. Find a solid car in a color you like, buy it, and drive the snot out of it. The perfect car does not exist. The perfect drive does...and it is every time I turn the key. But until you've got the car, you don't get the drive.

Yeah, maybe, I wouldn't really track the car, except for maybe a DE now and again. I'm not sure these 25th anniversary cars are SOOO collectible that one would have to feel bad about using them as a daily driver. Hrmmmm.

As for overanalyzing. Who me? Yes, totally, one of my many flaws, or strengths, depending on how you look at it. I'm not sure....

[APorscheOne]

Originally posted by mmm
OK, thank you very much. I'll be on the lookout, but please post a link here if you would.

Here it is:

1989 911 25th Anniversary Edition

[WesMason]

I am looking at an '88 Cab with the signature seats mentioned. I haven't seen the car personally yet, and will this afternoon. I'll also have the VIN at that time. I've looked at every thread I could around this and am still confused.

My concern is that by looking at the pictures this car doesn't fit the color scheme of the Jubilee/Commemorative/etc... cars although the owner swears it is. It does have the signed seats and according to the owner they are the original seats. I don't care if the car is a Special Edition or not. But I would like to know if it is legitimately so.

She has 70K on the odo, and makes a trip around the block once a month, and this has been the case for 3 years (yikes).

Thoughts...and Thanks!

Wes

[KFC911]

It sure looks like a Diamond Blue Metallic to me ! I can see why you might be confused however based upon the pic. That's one of the things that attracted me to a CE...the paint. The DBM paint will appear different in various light conditions, and in the bright sunlight (as in this pic), it can actually bring out a 'purple-ish hue' (looks better in person than my word description). Most of the time however, most casual observers would call it a 'silver' color. I purchased a CE, but that was a moot point for me too...I was just looking for a G50 in excellent shape.

edited: Ps: from the pic, I can't tell if the wheels are the same color (DBM) or polished...the CE's definitely came with Diamond Blue wheels too, so they might not be original....

[WesMason]

That is a total crack up! It could be the monitor on my laptop is suffering...nice.

So the interior would be a blue as well...correct? Or is it a silver/gray?

Yes, a G50 car is the target. The lower miles help, but the lack of driving does not. If it passes a visual inspection then it's on to a PPI.

Here are a couple more pics. I can't tell if the wheels are painted or polished for sure, but they looked polished. There is no badge on the dash either.

[exponence]

Hi Wes,

what Keith said is right. diamond blue changes the color

sometimes its more silver, then more grey ore with a rose touch, like on your picture.
Interior seems correct. silverblue carpet, blue metallic leather with signature. Steering wheel and doorpanels also bluemetallic, front and some parts black vinyl.

Other things on a CE:

no model sign on the rear,
short gear shift
trunk carpet silverblue
most of the badges are lost!
15" Fuchs with diamondblue star

Wheels on the pic are definitely wrong or polished later.


m codes (service book or under trunk door) contains:
243 439 498 980

Your VIN must end with JS1703xx or JS1704xx or near around 300/400

I am really interested in VIN and specs, take a look here:

How Many '88 Anniversary Carreras Made?

If you need information, you can mail me.

btw. here is another one:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/269810-1988-special-edition-euro-cab.html#post2488289

EURO / ROW Vin is different !!

JO

[Dantilla]

Hey, mmm-

If you are going to track the car at all, you probably don't want a cab, but a good friend of mine has an '89 anniversary cab in silver that he plans on selling soon. He's out in the Gig Harbor area, so it's relatively close.

[WesMason]

When it's too good to be true...it's usually too good to be true. $18k for the car. I just got the VIN and ran a CARFAX. FUGLY! WP0EB0915JS170467

Shows a Salvage title from severe loss as well as an odometer issue. I'm going to see the car and make sure he copied the VIN correctly.

JO - Thanks for the info. The VIN did end with a JS1704.. I have seen John's car before. I beleive he sold an SC a couple years back I was looking into. A bit too much in the mid/upper 20's for me.

Dantilla - What can you tell me about your friends' cab?

[WesMason]

Just saw the car. VIN is correct, but the title is clean. It was a theft recovery....ergo the title issue. AZ has it as a clean title.

It is the Diamnd Blue...and it is amazing. The engine is dry and clean underneath. All stock, no mods.

Here is what I found:
1. AC doesn't start. It seems to be missing a component on the passenger side behind the glove box. Linkage hanging down and a hole where you can see inside. (see pic)

2. Electric top doesn't work. Top itself is in great condition, but motors don't seem to work. Any ideas? Costs?

3. Engine pulled hard, but after a good run it was smoking from the pipe. Trany shifted perfectly.

4. Wheels are...well...ugly. Looks like someone tried their hand at polishing the paddles on the fronts, and did a poor job. The rears are stripped on the paddles but not polished. DEFINITELY not the original wheels.

I can do the interior, and possibly the top motors (with some guidance). The AC is a mystery to me.

What is something in this condition worth? it has 70K on the odo.

Thanks for the input.

[88-diamondblue]

With 70,000 and smoking I would suspect the valve guides are going. I have a CE coupe with 86,000 miles and am rebuiding the engine due to two broken head studs. It started to smoke in a very short time. Do a very thorough PPI on the car. Original wheels with the car were 15x7 & 8's with the centers painted Diamond Blue. Check on the underside of the front hood for the option sticker. Would give you the factory option list. On it's way home after dropping the engine.

[exponence]

Is 70K correct? The car looks really used on some pics.
engine problems with 70K means-no maintenance or fake odo

The electric motors (cabriolet top) are really expensive..
2 in the front / 2 in the back.

91162405603 Elektromotor front 686,87 Euro you need 2
91162411700 Elektromotor back unavailable at Porsche Germany

91162405603 $543.90 -- pelicanparts
91162411700 $141.90 pelicanparts specialorder

Normaly the front motors are broken (over 1.1K$), but if nothing happens??
No motor tries to work?? Maybe its only an electrical problem

the electric top wont open without the key in the right position!! Sometimes hard to find.

I dont know the US price range, i think 18K is to much..if the engine needs work.
Nothing is cheap..a set of 15" Fuchs..??
AC ??
5-10K$ in spare is normal..
There is no difference between 18 + 5/10 and a mid 20K car in good
condition.
Do a PPI if you like the car..and keep in mind you will end up mid 20.


Jo

[Dantilla]

Originally posted by WesMason

Dantilla - What can you tell me about your friends' cab?

]http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/148607108.html

[WesMason]

Michael & Jo,

Thanks for the input. Does the car have 70K real miles? Don't know for sure. After looking at CARFAX, it shows one issue in 1997 where the owner disclosed a broken Speedo/Odo. That was at 58,921 miles.
- Titled in AZ in 2001 with 59,000 miles
- Registratoin/Emissions 2003 , 68,000 (May)
- New owner in 2003 with 70,155 (September)
- Registration 2004 (January) 70,171 miles
- No current tags

I figure:
$1200 - new carpet kit from Pelican
$1200 - new roof motors (2 front, 1 rear)
$1800 - new Monte Carlo's (reclining), need for daily driving
$1000 - AC
$____ - new valve guides
$1400 - wheels
$300 - PPI

Does anyone know where you can get the original leather to redo the seats? That metalic/crush blue is nothing I've seen before. Perhaps changing out the whole interior to black carpet and black sport seats.

$6900+ to recondition the car BEFORE engine work.

Perhaps a $10K car.

[exponence]

More than 10K.. 15 or more..but all depends on the condition and the engine.

The CE Carpet in a CAB looks always bad after 18 years..

A 10K CE Car was on ebay: a rusty experience

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4621738030


There is no way to get original leather or carpet..i asked in Zuffenhausen. (only the gearknob was available)
But Pelican has a real good carpet, in a matching color. SL 18.
Looks like the original..but differs extremly when you compare it with the aged version.
The leather is painted metallic blue...its original porsche leather in darkblue with a metallic glossy paint on it.
Maybe pelican will help you, when you can send them an example.

We get it custompainted here in germany..i will see the result in summer.
One guy from our CE group rebuilts his complete CE interior.
Hard to match the original color.

Black leather on a CE?? No!!!

Jo

[WesMason]

Jo,

I can see you're quite the CE purist (good thing). It seems that in order to get the car restored to a near original CE car would be very time consuming. just on the interior alone. My hang up is on the seats. They don't have any rips, but the color is faded badly, and there are a good many cracks. They need to be dealt with and I'm not convinced it can be done.

That eBay car looks in better condition on the interior than the one I'm looking at.

[Dude76]

Wes,

I sent you a PM.

[exponence]

Black or tan are always easier ...

JO

[88-diamondblue]

There was an owner of a CE that i talked with 2 years ago and he had leather dye made up. I think it was Leatherique that did it. I lost his email address due to a computer melt down. He was going to let me know how well it matched. He described what the dye was and how they made it. I will try to find out how it worked. I want to dye a steering wheel I have to replace the original. Have a brand new black wheel dated March 1988 to dye. Also the sliver knit carpet can be found at one of the interior replacement shops as well, just can't find my link for it right now.