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Wow, great engine and an inspiration to us all....especially since doing a rebuild similar to yours is in the plan for my '89.
A favour to ask, as I am considering putting a 6 speed G50 in my '89 (bought the car without engine and transmission, so I have a choice)....how much space between the nose piece of your transmission and the torsion tube? I have heard there is about 2"....can you confirm? Thanks Dennis |
Well, its about time!! Just kidding. Glad that you got it in and it fired right up! Great job.
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Congrats Ralph! Great work and so clean...time to go dirty it up a bit. That coil mount is trick. I'll have to ask you about that when I get around to building my motor.
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Do you have a pic of how that coil holder itself mounts to the car?
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Fantastic write up. Must be a great feeling to have accomplished what you set out to do. Looks like a great engine. I am looking fwd to the first driving report!
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Congrats Ralph - you should be very proud of your accomplishment. Sweet motor
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I am really none technical, but have thoroughly enjoyed following the write up from over here in the UK. Let us know how the car drives. Thank you. |
WOW! Thanks for the comments and questions guys. Good to see that the 6,000+ views on this thread currently wasn't me looking at it 5,999 times!
I guess I'll try and answer the questions in order. I don't know how to incorporate/highlight various questions from people into one post so I'll do it individually. Ralph |
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Not going to dyno the motor until it has a few miles on it. Don't know whether I will wait till 1,000 miles or not but it will be closer to that number. |
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Andial stopped putting the pull knobs on them awhile back because they didn't feel the need to do so any longer. The knobs simply allowed you to test individually. I asked Arnold (the AN in ANDIAL) about it when I bought mine months ago because I remembered the unit having them when I worked there years ago. He said they have had very few problems with the splitter unit and customers don't think the feature is absolutely necessary. They still send the old instructions though which mentions the pull knobs. Free plug for Chris, any of you 3.2L Motronic guys looking to twin-plug your motor Chris has an Andial signal splitter that he would like to sell. PM him for pricing and info. Ralph |
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It is always nice to have a clean sheet of paper to work with, and with no motor and trans you have alot of options to explore. There appears to be a bit of room between the torsion tube and nosecone of the transaxle, but I don't know if it is 2". I took a couple of pics but I don't think you can see much from them so they're not even worth posting. I would contact Jim Patrick at Patrick Motorsports in Phoenix, he seems to have a pretty good handle on the gearbox conversions for different models and should be able to tell you what is easily possible and what would take extensive fabrication. Sorry I can't be of much more help. Ralph |
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Yes I do. Steve's coil bracket uses the existing studs in the body that the stock single coil bracket attaches to. Instead of the stock single coil being mounted vertically, the dual coils now mount horizontally. I used 2 more 962 jet nuts to secure the bracket. :) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1100830356.jpg Hope that picture helps. I can take more if needed! Ralph |
FIRST DRIVE!
Well, I was really looking forward to the maiden voyage today. The car needed a few things buttoned up before being "road worthy" and I came in during my lunch hour just as the car was being taken off the hoist. Perfect timing. I booted Dwain out of the driver's seat (he has enough seat time in his 993tt and Cup Car) and said the first drive is mine (but I took my cell phone just in case!:) ) Drove the car for about 5 miles in a big loop and holy crap it is a night and day difference. My biggest complaint with the 3.2L Carrera has always been the low and mid ranges, as nothing much happened below 4,000 rpm. With Steve Wong's chip, Dansk pre-muffler and final muffler, it was better but I still was left wanting. No more. This motor really makes nice torque in the bottom end and mid-range, it is a real pleasure to drive. Didn't take it above 5,000 rpm but it gets there in a hurry! Ran it up to 4th gear (shifting at 5,000) on a nice straight road and the run seems effortless. I think the upper end to 6,800 rpm will be just fine as well. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't consider it "scary fast" and I'm not going to embellish and say the car will go sideways if I stand on it in any gear. It's still only 270-280 horsepower (guesstimate for right now) in a 2880 lb car with a full tank of gas. Very, very smooth and progressive power, this is going to be a fun car to drive! The way I look at it, the car has just been updated from 1988 to 2004 with the power increase. The exhaust sounds sinister for lack of a better word. Not overly loud and obnoxious, but purposeful. It will definitely turn some heads going by I think. A little bit of a lope at idle as well with the 20/21 cams, the 964 cams are a bit smoother but I like it. Would I do it again? If the first drive was any indication, then in a heartbeat!:D Here are a couple of pics of the car (dusty from from sitting 10 weeks) before the detailer gets his mitts on it tomorrow: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1100831739.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1100831774.jpg The popular slogan "there is no substitute for cubic inches" is certainly valid. A 3.4/3.5/3.6 motor makes for a nice package in an earlier car. Ralph |
Very cool, I am glad you got a drive in. Were you a little nervous?!?! I remember the first few miles on my new HP 3.2 back in May. I am going to have to head to the fridge and pull out a couple of GI,s and drink mine ... and ... well drink yours too!!! Great job, I hope to see it some time.
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Drink a GI for me, I'm eating some Indian Candy from my Charlottes fishing trip at least.:) Ralph |
Thx for the bracket photo - I am actually looking for a way to mount 2 coils horizontally on a plate (on their sides). Not sure if I could adapt that one.
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Great job Ralph! I've really enjoyed this thread and have learned alot. Can't wait for the next OC run.
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Great write up Ralph!! Looks a really impressive job you have done. Documenting this experience has been a real bonus to me to see whats involved in a good engine build. Much appreciated.
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Congratulations Ralph!, looks great!
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FWIW, I did mention both of your books in one of my articles submitted to European Car Magazine. Although in my particular case I didn't really have a need to reference them, the rebuild book is a great tool for someone like me who can build an engine but is not a professional. I WOULD have used it as a guide if I was by my lonesome. I figured mentioning them in one of the articles was the least I can do for the opportunity to gather and share information on your forum. :) Ralph |
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I've driven Steve's 3.4L twin-plug in his '85 Targa, and my car feels stronger everywhere (IMO). The car weights are fairly comparable (his would be lighter in any event), so I guess when we dyno both in the coming weeks we'll find out if the apparent horsepower difference is psychological or real. There is a C5 Vette that I am just dying to test out one of these days. I'm not much for street racing, but this guy drives like a complete jerk because of the high horsepower car he has. I see him 3-4 days a week to/from work and he is always going as fast as he can and changing from one lane to the next and cutting people off. I've watched him race SS Camaro's, WRX's, EVO 8's, M3's, station wagons, mini-vans you name it at stoplights. He's wanted to have a go with me a few times in the past as well, but I didn't think I stood a chance with the mildly modified 3.2L and politely declined. There will come an opportunity...;) It may be my one and only "street" race as I don't condone it. I just want to try and put him down a link on the food chain. The road is straight for about a mile and a half and has no intersections for cars to enter or law enforcement to hide. Ralph |
Awesome! Congratulations!
Now, the good doctor prescribes: Track Day. Willow Springs International Raceway. December 7th. Bring it out. :cool: |
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I think you'd be on the borderline. Also, you want to have asafety factor if a station slips you some lower than 95 octane gas, if carbon buildup changes the CR or creates nuclei for pre-ignition, etc. ....
Thanks for reviving the thread - all the pics are beautiful. I esp. like the bronze colored acorn nuts on the thru-bolts against the Al color of the case. |
Your passenger side exhaust gaskets are oriented the wrong way in the picture.SmileWavy
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Where can I get this fiberglass RSR bracket?
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Where is this dual coil bracket available? It looks really nice.
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You can find them here. 911Chips.com - Porsche 911 Performance Engine Components
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Reading through the thread, I'm sorry to bump an old one, but had to laugh at how things have changed:
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The only thing that's a big change in today's market is finding a good used 964 or 993 twin distributor. They've gotten a bit more expensive but you can still find one for $400 to $500. I'd recommend installing a new belt in a used distributor too.
You can get good quality Beru brand parts (original supplier to Porsche) for the prices listed above. Check it out in Pelican's parts catalog. Well, actually the new Bosch coils in the silver can are sorta suspect and i'd avoid those. So you're better off getting a couple of used coils. Andial splitter is no longer made as far as I know. But there's guys who've come up with alternatives to that special part. You can get your heads and valve covers TP'd for around that same price listed above. Contact cgarr at G2 Performance here on the forums. He does a fantastic job machining heads for very reasonable prices. |
I have a solution to the Andial Splitter running already, see this prototype work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4EJXtj_ZtM This solution requires you to source the 964 coils with bracket and the ignition modules mounted on the bracket. I then create a custom harness for this setup with custom circuitry built into the harness. When you get the harness it's a simple 4 wire hookup done in the engine bay and you cut no factory wires at all. You need to buy a set like this 964 complete set: coils, bracket with modules: I've been asked for this type solution a few times now and I'm building it for a customer but it's easily rebuild-able. On a side note: I've had 2 Andial Splitters in hand and I know how that circuitry works. My new circuitry is more robust than what Andial had. Quote:
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You can pencil me in for one of those twin plug signal harnesses Sal. Going to be needing one for a 3.2 to 3.4 modification in my '86
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I also have the complete MAF setup for that conversion as well. Like in this setup I did earlier last year: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/871561-1985-3-4-build-using-maf-279-56-hp-237-63-rwhp.html That setup used the Andial Splitter but now I have that setup with the much simpler twin coil approach. You keep the Motronic and all the factory harnesses are untouched. It's a drop in solution to upgrading to twin plug. Quote:
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