A sad day, I need some help coping . . .

[geof33]

If winter is an issue slap some blizzaks on the P and keep it. I drove my 84 targa for two years full time here in CO... These cars are built to be driven. In Germany they drive them all the time...

If the cost of "upkeep" is an issue (minor) start turning a wrench yourself. Most things are very doable by the DIYer... Wayne's book is the first start.

Unless I'm loosing my house, the p-car stays in the garage. PERIOD. Even then, I'd be hard pressed to sell it. The project could go, but the Carrera is home for good. It's a loss to try to sell it. And money issues are always temporary. If you must save on insurance get collector car ins. Mine is about 150.00 every 6 months...

Sorry but your not going to get a lot of what you may want to hear. You will be losing money in the end for a deal that makes no sense. To rant... it DRIVES ME CRAZY to hear about the old "can't drive the p-car everyday" GARBAGE... drive and enjoy...
The car will be fine.

[Joe Bob]

An early 911 with snow tires...bad boy motor and a few bags of sand up front ain't nothing to sneeze at in the snow.....

[CarreraS2]

Originally posted by audi2.7t
And the answer is......keep the Porsche, sell the old Audi and buy a used ('01 or '02) Audi A6 2.7T with certified pre-owned warranty.........approx $22k for luxury, performance, AWD ,timeless styling, room for kids and strollers, track capable, low insurance and someone allready paid the depreciation.......
Sam.

*edit* you could just keep all the toys and get rid of the wife!!.

Sell the $12K Audi, put $10K more in to buy a $22K Audi.

And that puts money in his pocket by . . .

[Todd Simpson]

OK, since we're all theorizing here...I think he's pretty excited about getting rid of two old cars and getting something new.

[audi2.7t]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
Sell the $12K Audi, put $10K more in to buy a $22K Audi.

And that puts money in his pocket by . . .

I think it was more a case of him needing a newer, low cost, all in one,practical family car with AWD otherwise he wouldn't be talking WRXsti or Evo etc. as a replacement........money in his pocket isn't going to happen either way, the foresight is having a car that's big enough for a family, has a warranty and allows the P-car to go on low mileage insurance policy thereby saving $'s .
Hey ,he could always get a caravan.!!...

[xlr8]

I once saw a family of four riding a Harley with sidecar, in the rain, on the freeway!

The 911 is a VERY practical car.

[Porschekid962]

00, 01, 02 audi S4. Heck I almost signed for one when I was 18 and I dont have the best credit. Car had 20K on the clock and I was able to talk the dealer to 18k because of some bs bodywork that could have been very easily repaired. I still think those cars are a gas to drive, very plush interiors compared to an old Pcar and any new mitsu or suby.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by autoxracer31
because you hit curbs with 911's and you cant go over speed bumps. AND they aren't "comfy" cars

I manage to avoid curbs (although I do scrape my driveway). I go over speed bumps just fine...I slow down for them.

As for comfy...well, I guess if you're so inclined, then by all means get the overboosted power steering, plush riding barge boat. And sell the 911 to someone who will actually drive it. These cars have always been touring cars, and they make excellent daily drivers. Unless you value comfort over vibe.

This does not apply to people who have to trailer their car to the track. If you've modded that far, it really isn't usable as a daily driver.

not that I'm cranky or anything tonight

[konish]

Tod...you hit it on the head, I think. The guy is just rationalizing selling his beloved 911 (and audi) and really just wringing his hands until he can get his hands on a hot, new sedan. Obviously I upped the drama quotient to make it a more interesting, 911 elimination conspiracy theory....


R/
Dustin

[geof33]

So WTF??? Not comfortable? Compaired to what? I'm just fine driving mine...

I'm not cranky either...

[Todd Simpson]

For the life of me I don't understand why most people think these are weekend/sunny day cars...

Keep in mind this guy lives in *Buffalo*. The record for snowfall there is 3 feet *in one day*.

And I'll argue with you guys about using the 911 as a daily driver. To me, it's just a waste. The car is so fast and so capable, it's just flat frustrating to toodle around town in it.

I find my Gli or 2002 a lot more fun on the street because I can use a substantial part of the cars capabilities without drawing too much attention.

Now the guys who let a 911 sit AND don't take them to the track are knuckleheads.

[nostatic]

Buffalo? They have wings there, right?

Sorry, I don't understand this thing you call "snow".

As for toodling around town, you just have to stay in 2nd gear on the freeway...then you can have plenty of fun.

Besides, if I'm stuck in traffic, I'd rather be surrounded by my Sparcos and roll bar and air-cooled smells than by some comfy cruiser. But I'm weird that way...

[Langers]

Don't take the R32 for a test drive...you'll end up buying it....ask me how I know...

However the depreciation on a new car alone will cost you more than running the Carrera (assuming you own the P-car outright)

[KobaltBlau]

Buffalo, well Geof and I live in colorado, and I drive to the mountains in the winter, maybe Geof does too.

I understand why people want to use the cars as a daily to preserve it or to keep it special for the weekend, but when they are only worth ~15k the money savings just doesn't work out to buy another car, especially if you do your own work. Even if it's an old toyota, you still have the insurance, registration, etc. But most don't have an old toyota as their other car.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having a porsche as a fun car only, but I think it's rarely cheaper to have an additional car as your daily.

Snow or no snow, IMO.

[Roamer]

I think it is time for me to chime back in as people are making too many assumptions on my behalf . . .

1. The wife stays, period. The decision was mutual given the totality of the circumstances. She is also giving up her new Eddie Bauer Explorer to buy a used Subaru Forester with the equity.

2. The Porsche is being sold to generate a nest egg that can be used to cover costs while she looks for a part-time position. The Audi will be kept until she gets a new job at which time the Audi can be sold and the nest egg can be used toward a new car. Since the Audi has 180k miles on her now, I don't see an extended life without MAJOR repair costs which exceed the value of the car.

3. The Porsche is not paid for and the interest rate is high.

4. The Porsche CANNOT be driven in Buffalo winters. The snow is either too deep or the salt will eat the car alive. The car means too much to me to have it destroyed.

5. I barely drive the car now since it is not safe to leave it at work and I hardly have any time with a young kid at home to take fun runs. I put 2100 miles on her this year INCLUDING a trip to cape cod (1100 miles). Normally she just sits in the garage and collects dust. If I get out 12-15 times per year, that is a lot.

6. The combination of high maintenance/repair costs for both cars and a lousy interest rate on the Porsche make a slightly used car with a warranty a better plan. In addition, in NY insurance is rediculous, I could save $500-700 on insurance by consolidating (and I have the Porsche insured as a "parade" car).

I am not happy about the sacrifice, but I am looking for a stop-gap until I can get a 993 C2S in the next 5-7 years as a result of a number of anticipate changes in our finacial situation. While I appreciate the financial input, I have already evaluated your arguments and in the end, the current (not total) costs to me are lower if I just have one car. Let's stick to cars guys.

Langers, I am interested to hear your thoughts, thanks.

[Beethoven]

Cranky, ey? You asked for advice, don't get all upset when you get it.

There are two conditions in your predicament that make any further discussion useless, #1 and #3. Next time you get a Porsche, make sure you pay for it outright, and always contemplate the possibility of divorce.

[Seahawk]

Roamer,

You have a PM.
Thanks.

[competentone]

Originally posted by Roamer
While I appreciate the financial input, I have already evaluated your arguments and in the end, the current (not total) costs to me are lower if I just have one car.

I realize you probably don't want to hear it (more financial input here), but if you ever want to "get ahead" financially, then it is absolutely essential that you get out of the "monthly payment" mindset and always consider the total costs when making purchase decisions.

[nostatic]

I assumed the 911 was paid for. I'd forgotten the joy of car payments (all of our cars are paid off, and I refuse to cycle one out for a "new one").

Carry on...

[mb911]

me too! My tahoe has 180,000 and Our van has 35,000 and the 911 100,000 non are going any where but are paid for. Makes a huge difference. But that always does not work for everyone