LS1 V8 or WRX engine swap?...
 

Which would you pick if you had these two choices to put into a 911 which will be tracked.
I think I can reduce the weight of the LS1 engine to a safer amount for the track. As for the wrx engine, it would be even lighter than any porsche engine.

I know the wrx engine may outhandle the ls1, but the brute torque the ls1 has, is very fun to drive.

If both swaps were done perfectly; which would you decide on?
the ls1 engine is 430lbs. im pretty sure.
the wrx engine should be 350 at most with turbo, loaded and all.

thanks.

the next post will be on whether it should be awd or rwd.
put that c4 transaxle to good use, or get a g50...hmmm....?

Fee, Fye, Fo, Fum, I smell a... troll!

why would you do that?...smell a troll that is...where's that V8 thread...gotta resurrect it.

I love the subaru engine in my "mutt" 912.

the car doesn't drive any different, there's power on demand, and I designed the whole thing as a bolt in.

write me or come hang out on the porsche V8 renegade boards.

search for "porscharu", dude, you'll find lots here.

Oh yeah...I'm also building a 2.2L subaru in a '72 widebody shell. That'll be the turbo car.

Keep the chassis on the road, no matter what.

sjd

you are not going to get help with this here.
try

http://www.toy-jet.ls1fun.com/

he has a supercharged Ls1

check out this link to see what a porsche can do with a V8. The videos are a little slow to load.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sdfranco/index.html

This is an old fight.
Do somethimg different, put a helicopter engine in it.
You'll get a lot more interest here!!

NOW you're talking!! :D

I posted that same idea after seeing a turbine helicopter engine on display on the USS Midway in San Diego. The engine weighs something like 150 pounds, but puts out something like 1,500 pounds of thrust.

So what's more powerful 1,500 pounds of thrust or a V8? I dunno. But there has to be a weight advantage with the helicopter engine... :D

Just leave the Subaru engine in a subaru and take that to the track. Jeesus kid what the hell is wrong with you. The WRX is an all-round better track hack than an old 911 anyways.

not when you lose those two extra cylinders and 200 lbs off the rear of your 911. you've got a 50/50 weight disty then...

sjd

Hmmmmmm......... ........... Why?

Of all the chassis your going to put a scubi motor in, WHY THE '72!?!?!?!? WHY???? Honesly, I would never put anything but Porsche in a Porsche, but i respect those choose to do it.... WHEN APPROPRIATE. Rare chassis are NOT APPROPRIATE for "hey, i can't afford to bring it back to OEM status, lets put something cheap and water cooled in it! Huh huh huh!"

I would rather go with a 2JZ GTE and then turbo charge it viola 600 ponies in a 3100 lbs car :eek: O while at it i would also seriously consider putting the supra rear spoiler as well for an added down force :D
Hope that helps SmileWavy

Redirect yo self hea = http://www.pors-chev.com/

No Im not thrashing you because I own a bastardo myself.

Thanks
Todd

Wholy crap guys!! I forgot that I took photos of a one man helicopter ( made by PORSCHE ) hung from the celing of the flight bay of the USS Yorktown when I was on my road trip. I will have to find the photos!!!

You're off your dial, Victor. ;)

Common sense is seemingly not that common Matt.

I once read about a heavily modified Mazda 13B Turbo Rotary in a 911 :eek: Blap! Blap! Blap!

OK, so my car is a hybrid too, but damn, I wouldn't even consider shoe-horning such a motor into a 911 :confused:

wrong bbs go somewhere else

because THIS 72 was completely stripped, and converted to short hood...except for the suspension and a couple of oil lines which were still on it...then in the early 80's, it was cut...BAD. ever see pictures of the DP body kits (i've seen the thread here) THIS 72 was cut just above the rear lights all the way to the fenderwell. fiberglass turbo fenders, and the HUGE DP rear bumper that looks like a 928 was put in place. The real tragedy was the DPing of a '72. The car was originally yellow, then black, then guards red, then white. I suspect it was a slant nose conversion.

nothing WE do to it won't be reversible. Trust me, all the good '72 parts will go to a good home.

BTW, You couldn't afford to bring it to OE status either. if you can, we're more than willing to sell it to you so it can be restored.

Flame away...I only make "mutt" cars from the total basket cases. I know better than to cut a perfectly good car.

I love how people fly off the deep end when they find this stuff out.

We've got a few parts if you need some. I think the oil tank too...I'd have to check.

sjd
hee hee hee...

Holy smokes! Are you guys ever going to be cranky when I put a turbo diesel engine in one...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105708548.jpg

HeHeHe. He said smokes and diesel in the same sentance ;) ;) ;)

wow i got a good idea, how about a Porsche motor,

who cares what he puts in it, it is after all his car. like he said the car was/is a basket case. i see no problem in putting another lump in it, just fix that bodywork hahaha.

i have seen some interesting engine swaps, at the art center car show last year some guy showed up with a datsun 510 that had a ferrari v8 in it, what do you think the ferrari camp thought of that?

when its al said and done he will have the same money if not more in a a B aSTERED conversion

Sure, but if Juan had just stuck a turbo'd LS1 in his car...think how much more money he'd have left over :)

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Click click click, aw forget it. You should report that 72' to the VTK group.
http://www.911vtk.com/
It would help track down one less of the 12,962 cars.
:cool:

I see no problem with taking a ratty old 911 and turning it into a serious performer as long as everything is done right. If its a crappy old carbed chevy 350 i wouldnt do it. I would however put a 436 Ci LSX motor pushing 600 N/A hp.

This way the handling wouldnt be effected that much, and it would have way more balls then any porsche motor for the money. If you want to get REAL serious. Put in the 436ci ls6 and toss a turbo or supercharger on it like some others have and then you have a INSANE car:eek: Maybe do some weightloss in the rear to level the weight distribution out but...

Its just a car. Make it as fun as you can, who cares where the parts came from. Shoot, if i had millions of dollars id buy a 997 and put a twin turbo LSX motor etc..:D

back to lurker mode

Hey Dozer, how much do you have in your car money wise?

how much was the body work etc...?

Eeeek.. Dont ask me that I may actually stop and thing about it... ;)

I will have to figure it up..

.

I can't remember how much you have farmed out so far.....so I'll guess $65k including purchase price of cab.

when do you think you will have if finished?:confused:

what color will it be?:cool:

I had a 13B in my 912 for awhile. I couldn't get it to cool right without cutting some of the body for ducting, so I removed it.

How about a Turbo Cayenne? I think it would be awesome.

David

Hopefully this summer

House of Kolor "Euro Red" ( pure red )

Off the top of my head, and I hate to do this because you are going to say " You could of had a ***** for that much!!! "

Well it has been a lot of fun :)

Donor car $5000
Wheels $4200
Tires $1100
Axles $900
930 LSD + Cooler $6100
Tilton Clutch $3500
Body kit $5200
AC $950
Motown Block $4800
PTL Heads $1800
Carb $1200
Procharger $3500
Intercooler + bits $900
Suspension $2300
Fuel cell + Fuel system $950
Cab top + parts $2000
Lights + seals $875
Milano Prestige Seats $2800
Dash + bits $450
+ LOTS OF FAB & TIME $$$$


Needs :
Big Brakes
Carpet
Door Panels
Paint
New SuperModel girlfriend ( less than 110lbs )
Next project... Hmmm maybe a 914...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105755807.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105755827.jpg

here's a couple of pics of the '72 since we got the ruf bumper and 'glass fenders.

the idea is to make it as light as possible, and we'll easily get 300 horse from 2.0L subaru...

so, mock all you want, it's my project...ettsn is the owner.

sjd

thats one heck of a car you got:cool:

I feel inspired. Gonna put me a hyabusa engine where a shovelhead should be and ride into Sturgis.

Yeah - that'll show dem summink 'bout weight distribution.

damn straight...

hayabusa power in a properly styled "chopper" would be AWESOME.

sjd

What transaxle did he use?? I went on the site and he mentions everything except this??

most likely a 901 or 915 trans. www.kennedyeng.com for all the applications.

sjd