3.0 Normal Aspitared to Turbo Engine

[Nitrometano]

Hi guys.

What I need to know and to do to make a normal aspirated 3.0 engine to a turbo engine.

I need to change the CIS stocks pistons for turbo pistons?
I need turbo CIS injectors?
What another info.

I have Wayne's book, workshop manuals, etc.

Please help me with this.

Thanks.
Nitro.

[RarlyL8]

There are kits available to do this with no internal engine mods.
Do a search on "RFONG" or "SC Turbo"

[Joe Bob]

Contact "Sammy Gore"...he did a 3.0 turbo and used the stock engine and pistons.....

[sammyg2]

Before you think about any turbo application you need to make some decisions.

Two ways to look at it:
1) how much boost can a stock engine safely take....... or
2) what modifications are necessary to run X amount of boost.

If you want to know how much boost a stock 3 liter can take without sacrificing reliability or longevity, we can help you. If you want to know what has to be done to a 3 liter to run 2 bar, you are probably on your own, maybe Juan or some of the other horsepower junkies can help with that.

Here's a partial answer:
a stock 3 liter can take .5 bar non intercooled safely, with little adjustments to the fuel delivery and timing, and no other mechanical changes. That should get you somewhere in the 260 to 280 hp range which is a big deal when compared to a stock 3 liter.
Some folks have hit 9 psi safely but that is on earlier, lower CR engines and have suplimental fuel devices and distributor advance modifications.

I'm at .5 bar and may increase it slightly, but I know I am getting closer to the safe limit with my current configuration and I am not in a hurry to eat into my reliability cushion given the quality of pump gas available in So Cal.
I took my engine apart to replace the dilavar head studs after running the turbo for a year and found no evidence of turbo-related wear or damage whatsoever.

If you have a bug to run significantly higher boost or higher hp, you will need to make serious changes.

[dd74]

Hey Sammy - at about what RPM does the boost kick in on your motor?

[raceman]

do a search first,there are a lot of posts on this subject with tons of info.You can turbo your 3.0 using stock 930 parts for less then $2000.00 if you shop wisely.The biggest problem you`ll have is finding a working solution to draining the oil from the turbo because using the stock 930 headers and turbo won`t allow gravity drain into the cam cover.

[sammyg2]

Depends, if I roll on the throttle in a higher gear and kind of bog the engine I see positive manifold pressure at 2700.
If I nail it in a lower gear I see boost at around 3000.
The difference is the time it takes to spool and the time it takes for the pressure to get all the way from the manifold, down that long skinny little tube to the pressure gauge.

When I nail the throttle in 2nd gear at around 3000 rpm it hits redline pretty darn quick so we are not talking about alot of lag.

Mikey drove my car before I had all the bugs out. It was making good power at .4 bar but if I remember right we heard some pinging after about the 5th hard accelleration run. It doesn't do that anymore. Since then I got it running just right and have increased the boost a little

One of these years I'm going to install a custom intercooler but I'm in no hurry for that. At the boost level I'm running and the efficiency I'm getting out of the rayjay the heat of compression isn't that big of a factor, yet.

[dd74]

Sam - I sent you a PM. Thanks.

[mede8er]

Uh Oh.........another slipery slope.......

[dd74]

Originally posted by mede8er
Uh Oh.........another slipery slope.......

[mede8er]

Hmmmmm....finish the Vram on Ruby......then a turbo for Bluebird......AHHHHHHHHHHHHH......

This place costs me an arm and a leg.........

[air-cool-me]

i have a old style BAE manifold adapter on EBAY.. i can cut a deal for a pelican

its always nice to convert a little SC into a snake in the grass

[Nitrometano]

For the moment, I have a Evo II camshafts in order from camgrinder. The 3.0 is a stock engine with stock compression. The engine is from 1979. The only modification that it have right now is a stainless steel CIS air box, A big bore throttle body and hydraulic chain tensioners, MSD 6AL and Accel 140001 Coil. I will made custom MSD spark plug cables. I think that .5 bar is cool for the street. The draining the turbo oil, I can deal with that problem. A intercooler is a great idea. The SC have turbo tail, so the intercooler will fit nicely.

The question is, What size of turbo I need?

If I want to go with higher boost, I need to use low compression pistons? Maybe from an original 911 Turbo or 930 Turbo engine?

[vizail]

Nitrometano

Sí...tienes que cambiar los pistones Stock del 3.0 litros por pistones Low Compression . Tienes que cambiar el sitema por injectores electricos e instalar una nueva computadora y rabiza de cableria nueva. Ademas de adquirir las turbinas.
hay mucha informacion en este site pata la transformacion

Vic

[dd74]

Originally posted by vizail
Nitrometano

Sí...tienes que cambiar los pistones Stock del 3.0 litros por pistones Low Compression . Tienes que cambiar el sitema por injectores electricos e instalar una nueva computadora y rabiza de cableria nueva. Ademas de adquirir las turbinas.
hay mucha informacion en este site pata la transformacion

Vic

Uh-oh. English alert. No fair to us non-worldly types who can't speak anything other than our native tongues.

I'd like to know what this says - my college-days Spanish ain't making it.

[Nitrometano]

Vic, puedo usar pistones JE o conseguir de 911 Turbo o 930 Turbo que sean low compression, tal como un 7.5.1?

[Nitrometano]

Originally posted by dd74
Uh-oh. English alert. No fair to us non-worldly types who can't speak anything other than our native tongues.

I'd like to know what this says - my college-days Spanish ain't making it.

Nitrotanslate program from spanish to english:

Sí...tienes que cambiar los pistones Stock del 3.0 litros por pistones Low Compression . Tienes que cambiar el sitema por injectores electricos e instalar una nueva computadora y rabiza de cableria nueva. Ademas de adquirir las turbinas.
hay mucha informacion en este site pata la transformacion

"Yes...you need to change the stock 3.0 liter pistons with low compression pistons. Need to change the system for electronic injectors and install a new computer with a new wiring harness. Also that adquiring the turbines, there is much information in this site for the transformation."

[dd74]

Originally posted by Nitrometano
Nitrotanslate program from spanish to english:

Sí...tienes que cambiar los pistones Stock del 3.0 litros por pistones Low Compression . Tienes que cambiar el sitema por injectores electricos e instalar una nueva computadora y rabiza de cableria nueva. Ademas de adquirir las turbinas.
hay mucha informacion en este site pata la transformacion

"Yes...you need to change the stock 3.0 liter pistons with low compression pistons. Need to change the system for electronic injectors and install a new computer with a new wiring harness. Also that adquiring the turbines, there is much information in this site for the transformation."

Thanks. I understood a bit of what was said, but wasn't sure. Keep in mind this thread is about the 3.0 CIS engine; it has no electronics - not, at least, like the 3.2. And it seems that according to those here who have converted their 3.0 engines to turbos, that there was no need to change the pistons in order to obtain a lower compression ratio. The BAE turbo seems to operate with either the 8.5:1 compression of the 1978 and 1979 3.0 engines, or the higher 9.3:1 compression in the 1980-1983 3.0 engines.

[vizail]

Nitro

There has been previous attempts to do this with Porsche engines. You can ask about this to Julio Figueroa or Raffi Porsche. Thay have seen the damage done to this convertions when Hi Compression Pistons and a hi/ Comp. Ratio have been conbined .
A 7.5 to 1 ratio and low compression Pistosns will be Ideal. I have seen blown engines that had the H/comp Pistons and ratio 8.5 and beyond.

Yes you can do it ..but the engine life expectancy is short

Vic

[RickM]

Vic, Have you read the experiences of others....who have had good results and longevity????