Boxster Outlaw ????

KillerDynoSoar · 08:17 AM

I have been on another UK Porsche forum www.ddk-online.com talking about the first generation boxsters. I was wondering how you guys felt about the subject.

Now that Boxsters are becoming more affordable at around the same price as 964's or really nice G50 equipped late 80's 911's here in europe, do you guys think that more Porsche enthusiasts will buy them.

When its all said and done the boxster is a very accomplished sports car. Much like the 914-6 if alittle underpowered (just like the 914-6

) Infact I see the car as the successor to the 914 really.

Would you consider a Boxster for a trackday car or an Outlaw inspired project?
I have seen one US boxster that had some 959 style lights and modified wings and it really reminded me of the 550. Very cool indeed.
I think that as soon as a better oval headlight conversion is available for the Boxster the better. Something more like the 997 lights would do just fine. I have seen some covers that try to seperate the fried egg shaped lights and I still feel that they could look better.

Do you think that the Boxster will gain kudos and be resserected as an alternative or companion for your 911?

Are there any Outlaw Boxsters around?

I think we should start calling them by the designation number 986, drop the 'Boxster' tag and a badge should be produced to replace the Boxster script. With just 986 on the back will seperate the corperate Boxster owner and the Porsche 986 'Driver'. We can reclaim the 986 as a true sports car and be seperate from the mass public buyer. You guys dig???

anthony · 07-20-2005, 08:36 AM

I agree that the Boxster is the next 914. It needs to get a little older and cheaper though. I definitely see people modding the hell out of these cars. It's nice that you can pick up a Boxster S engine and tranny for around $5K. You can also drop in a 996 engine into the early boxster.

Wrecked944 · 07-20-2005, 08:46 AM

I have two p-cars and so I am already planning/fantasizing about my third. It might be a 914 or a 911 roller (for mad modding) or a first gen boxster. All depends on my finances. I think a first gen boxster with a 996 turbo motor and a custom removable hard top that doesn't look like ass (I hate the OEM hard tops) could could rival my precious 911 in pure driving joy.

Also, have you seen the article in the latest Excellence proposing a spec boxster racing series? Very seductive idea.

Doug&Julie · 07-20-2005, 08:56 AM

Boxster Spec Racing Series!

POC BOXSTER-SPEC rules meeting:7/28th @6:30pm Sharp!

RarlyL8 · RarlyL8's Garage

How 'bout a Ruff Boxster?
One of our PCA members has one and tracks it constantly. Very capable car.

KillerDynoSoar · 07-20-2005, 09:28 AM

Cool, but what are the thoughts on Outlaw and custom 986's??

Any pics available?

Doug&Julie · 07-20-2005, 09:34 AM

I would agree....these cars will be in the hands of "true" enthusiasts before too long. I, too, am curious to see what they'll end up like. I've seen an article in 911 & Porsche World about a modified 2.5 Boxster (sorry, don't have the specifics). I'm sure we'll see more. I'd say the first thing most people will do is drop a bigger motor in it, since that's relatively easy (but still not cheap!). Otherwise, they're pretty good out of the box. ...actually, they're REALLY good out of the box. It's a shame they've gotten a "hairdresser's" reputation. They really are exceptional sports cars.

HardDrive · 07-20-2005, 09:56 AM

Hey, I could by a boxster, but the reliability issues scare the hell out of me. I would love to pick up a 98-99 and trick it out, but I don't have 14k to drop if the engine goes south because of a well documented defect. A defect that Porsche will not fess up to I might add....

Doug&Julie · 07-20-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by HardDrive
Hey, I could by a boxster, but the reliability issues scare the hell out of me. I would love to pick up a 98-99 and trick it out, but I don't have 14k to drop if the engine goes south because of a well documented defect. A defect that Porsche will not fess up to I might add....

$14k will get you a 996 motor in your car. You can replace it with stock for around $8500. Ask me how I know...

At least that option will get you a warranty, for what that's worth.

Truthfully, most of the early Boxsters are quite reliable. Just avoid the build months that were prone to motor failures. (..which, of course, escapes me right now...although I do know they end in March 99 build.)

anthony · 07-20-2005, 10:00 AM

A new engine isn't $14K. I heard that factory long blocks cost like $7,500. I've seen low mileage 996 engines for around $7K - complete with electronics and exhuast. My buddy bought a Boxster S engine and tranny for $5K. They aren't 914 cheap but they are cheaper than aircooled 911s.

Wrecked944 · 07-20-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by KillerDynoSoar
Cool, but what are the thoughts on Outlaw and custom 986's??

Outlaw Boxster? How about this...

First gen Boxster with hand hammered clear anodized aluminum body panels - that would reduce weight and produce that "bare aluminum" look of the early Porsche race cars (like the 550). I think a Boxster would wear that look very well.

While your at it, flare the fenders just a bit to widen the track and give the car a more aggressive stance.

Then, remove the wasser pumper motor and install an air cooled 3.6 with PMO carbs. Here is a thread that suggests such a motor could pump out 320 ponies...

993 longblock with PMO or other carbs

With a stock curb weight around 2900-ish pounds and 320 air cooled carbed hp, the thing would go like stink and sound like a freaking BEAST. And that's before you add the turbo kit...

Dayyam...now that I think about it...I'd really like to have that car...

real550A · real550A's Garage

This idea came to me the day I first drove a Boxster.
Although it would never match my 550A, it would be a lot more practical for a street driven hotrod.
My concept? Stripped and LOUD!

mmastro · 07-20-2005, 10:31 AM

Just waiting for my wife to get tired of the 99 Boxster and upgrade......Then Dr. Frankenstein will take over!!!! AAAHAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAaaaa!!!!

Air-cooled 3.6, suspension upgrades, and big reds......Oh BOY!!

Doug&Julie · 07-20-2005, 10:33 AM

An air cooled motor in a Boxster? ...now that is whack.

TRE Cup · TRE Cup's Garage

Get a thoroughly wrecked GT3- transfer the motor and brakes into the early boxster chassis. Add some large rims/tires and leave the rest all stock looking
THAT would make a heck of a toy

mmastro · 07-20-2005, 10:58 AM

Ooooooo, I like that idea better!!

Now where's that wrecked GT3.....I know it's around here somewhere..........

banjomike · banjomike's Garage

I'm pretty sure that a boxster w/ an aircooled 911 motor would not be CARB legal. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this fantasy will have to live outside of California.

FrayAdjacent911 · 07-20-2005, 11:21 AM

I definitely think if something were to happen to my daily driver, I'd probably try looking for a 99ish Boxster. Once I had it paid off, and had another reliable vehicle (like a truck or something), I'd probably mod the Boxster... bigger engine... more power...

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

The 911 -> Boxster swap is a difficult project. On top of all of the issues with actually making it fit and wiring it up, the DME, Imobilizer, and transponder all have to match and be operating correctly. You can't take a 911 DME and put it into a Boxster (or any other 911) without transfering over the transponder and the imbolizer. DME's are custom-manufactured from the factory and encoded with the VIN number of the car that the engine came with.

In addition, the 911 (996) wire harnesses are custom-made for each car, which creates added complexity when transferring an engine over. It's not like doing a 914-6 swap - it's much, much, much more involved. Still, I'm sure there will be people in the near future who will be offering drop-in kits for the 3.6 into the Boxster. Probably won't be cheap though.

Also, the 1st gen 911s and Boxster motors may be somewhat suspect. It remains to be seen whether they will have longevity, or go the way of the early 2.7 motors. The seals in the early motors kept failing, and now there's repeated reports of failed head gaskets causing piston damage due to hydrolock?

-Wayne

s_wilwerding · s_wilwerding's Garage

Wayne, if you're talking about swapping a 996 engine into a Boxster, there are plenty of people that have done it, and it is not technically difficult. All of the ones I've heard of get their Boxster DME reprogrammed to work with the 996 engine, rather than the other way around. Other than that, it's pretty much a bolt-up operation. Check out this PDF - it outlines the whole process: http://members.rennlist.com/tholyoak/34swap.pdf.