my winter project

[mb911]

Yeah,

I will be around working on something. Give me a call

[mb911]

More pictures tonight I promise

[DUK]

Looks great Ben, keep it up. And let me know how long it takes to weld and not warp this with a tig. Every time we try tigging fenders it warps slightly. Do you anneal the area and hammer or what? Thanx, Duke

[mb911]

Yup hammer weld (annealing) I am sure it will take a while but it will be worth it. Hey the factory tig welded there flares on

[mb911]

Here are some more. I was able to get the passenger side tacked very well. Perfect butt joints to this point. . Driver side needs a little more fitting before I weld the flare up. (note to all wondering how to do front flares . You need to make sure they are mounted exactly how you want them when the car is done otherwise you could be in for a suprise) All is going well. As I said I want to try to get the front fenders in paint in a month or so.

[vanwyk4257]

Looks great Ben, I can't wait to see this car done with the new wheels on it, it's going to look very sinister in black!

[mb911]

I may have to tint the windows? It should look great! I am very happy with the look as of yet. I hope that this continues to move smoothly. I may have to finish some things around the house but I plan to finish the welding and hammering before I go back to school at the end of the month. I also have a bunch of muffler stuff to get done so we will see how quickly this progresses but not bad for 3 days about 6 hours total

[jcc911]

Ben,
Looks Great! She will be even more beautiful when completed! All she needs now is some boost to put a little hop in her step
Keep the pics coming.

[911SCfanatic]

if mig welding, generally how long of a stitch can you lay without fear of warping?

[mb911]

I mig welded these flares on (the pic attached) And Only spot welded it as this was the best way to control warpage. I do not suggest that you should weld lengths over 1/2 inch or you will run into problems. Its best to keep the welds very small (nerd candy size) This way you don't have issues when grinding the weld causing for major heat build up and warpage from the grinder

[911SCfanatic]

Ben, so about how long would it take to weld on one flare using that technique?

[Par911]

Nice work Ben. Now you're gonna have a fat bottom girl.
Can't wait to see the finish product.

[mb911]

Well the best bet it to tack all the flares on first. Then work with one flare for about 1 minute skipping around. Then skip to another flare and on and on. It took me about 1 hour to complete a flare on the orange car atnd it really paid off with end result. Remember that when working on my own car my time is free so the time does not matter as much as the end result. I want to metal finish the fenders as much as possible and in the end if I need some filler I may use it but not much.

[mb911]

Wow big thanks for Quaz (another pelican) to come over and give a hand fitting the front driver side fender as to not scratch any of the door or hood paint. It was a huge help.

Also a big thanks to darkmoon(another pelican) for helping with the pasenger side flare. 4 hands work really well doing the flare holding while I am welding. It just goes to show how willing to help the p-car world is

[SLO-BOB]

My car just gets more rare everytime someone takes a Sawzall to their car.

JK-I know you had glass sc flares on there to begin with anyway. I look forward to seing the finished product.......at Blackhawk!

[tony77targa]

Very interesting thread Ben... Thanks for all the visuals hope to SEE more as the project progreses...

[mb911]

more pics coming I made progress just need to get some pictures of it

[DzusFast]

Looks like your on track and looking good.

On all the conversions I've done, ( 7 total ) we used an air tool that knocks a recess for the new flare to fit into and also provides a little more strength when done.

TIG welding produces a 'cleaner weld', but allows the metal to heat up more than MIG IMOO. The quick experienced zap of the mig I've found easier; however, you teach welding and IMO that would make me unworthy to give you this advise. But all seven cars turned out very nice.....


ME- TIG weld alluminum = Not pretty!
ME- MIG weld steel = sweet!

[mb911]

What do you mean by recess ? I guess I don't understand that part. and as for welding flares on I have done them both ways 5 cars worth now but I must say the tig takes a bunch more time but keeps down on the build up and penetrates much easier and cleaner. I have finish welding 3 of the flares and took about 3 hours total for the 3.

If you could clarify the recess I would be interested in hereing this. Are you talking about a lap joint? If so I opted not to use a lap as this will be hard to metal finish. I know however it would add some more strength but really do we need it there?

Thanks for the help and please let me know the clarification

[Tim Hancock]

The problem with a lap joint IMO, would be creating a bare metal pocket that rust could form in later. With nice new galvanised metal at the factory along with seam sealer, probably not a problem. I myself would worry about future corrosion. Is there a way to prevent it?