3.9 RSR project --- my Carrera reborn

[Dennis Kalma]

I am with the majority opinion, namely, use of a repaired part, particularly an engine case in a project as high end as this one is unacceptable.

I would have expected, at a minimum, that you had written confirmation that the case was repaired prior to the work beginning. He is willing to make it up by giving you $2k for the case, but this is too late, although I do think it would be tough to prove that the rebuilt case was the source of your problems.

Very, very disappointing to all, I had been lurking on this thread seeing a guy who was doing everything first class and very right, then to find out that some dumb*ss poor judgement is causing all this grief erodes what tiny bit of faith I have in human kind a little more.....

Matteo, best of luck, you are clearly taking the higher road.....a rare example. Good luck.

Dennis

[450knotOffice]

Amazing (awful) story Matteo. You have amazing patience. Best of luck to you going forward.

[Darkclaw13]

Matteo-

Are the specs of the new engine similar to the original? If different could you give a run down of what has gone into this new engine?

[Tom Sch]

hello,

some more is similar (except the type of car, the basis motor and some other details)...
i have had also silicon inside the case, but mine was not white - it was dark red. this silicon stuff from "Würth" will be used for big gaps but definite not for the case... the oil will transport the loose parts of the silicon very good to the small oil passages and holes

this stuff costs me two camshafts, some rocker arms, one bearing and some more hours of work

look forward, things are coming better

tom

[911teo]

Originally Posted by Darkclaw13

Matteo-

Are the specs of the new engine similar to the original? If different could you give a run down of what has gone into this new engine?

964 case
993 camshaft
Carrillo rods
102 mm 993 Clubsport Pistons
102mm x 107mm slip fit cylinders
9M intake valves
9M exhaust valves
9M retainers/springs
9M Billet heads
9M Intake manifolds

Basically what's been kept is the rods and the camshafts.

The heads and intake systems are not been used.

The reason for not using the heads has nothing to do with any damage (they were actually untouched) but with the current engine builder and his approach.

As per the intake the stacks were tapered to 45mm (heads were ported to 45mm) and the new heads have a smaller diameter, so they were not compatible.

As stated above I want the current engine builder to be 100% accountable and that meant following their suggestions.

Fingers crossed this time...

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by 911teo

964 case
993 camshaft
Carrillo rods
102 mm 993 Clubsport Pistons
102mm x 107mm slip fit cylinders
9M intake valves
9M exhaust valves
9M retainers/springs
9M Billet heads
9M Intake manifolds

Basically what's been kept is the rods and the camshafts.

The heads and intake systems are not been used.

The reason for not using the heads has nothing to do with any damage (they were actually untouched) but with the current engine builder and his approach.

As per the intake the stacks were tapered to 45mm (heads were ported to 45mm) and the new heads have a smaller diameter, so they were not compatible.

As stated above I want the current engine builder to be 100% accountable and that meant following their suggestions.

Fingers crossed this time...

The 9M products are beauties and work very well. I've had some exposure to their products and been very impressed.

[NY65912]

Wow. This completely stinks. Timmins should step up but clearly this will not happen.

White silicone everywhere, a rookie mistake. Someone was not truthful here, not cool.

I would not be able to contain myself. Matteo you are a better man than I.

[MrPerkles]

Using a welded up case without telling the customer up front is very dishonest in my book.
Anyhow Bob and 9m have great reputations in the UK so you are now in good hands

[SCHNELE]

Matteo, I too share in the dismay expressed above and I admire your demeanor in the handling of the issues with Timmins. I had my turbo engine blown twice by John Truman and he has a great reputation but here again he took on a project that was beyond his ability and I paid dearly for it, I had warnings but like you I was already knee deep into a build and I just wanted a completed product. I am sorry for anyone going through this.

[stout]

Awful, awful chapter to this story! So sorry to hear it, Matteo.

Add mine to the wishes for a page turned with the new motor.

Best,

pete

[martin_gibson]

Originally Posted by 911teo

Fingers crossed this time...

Matteo,

You certainly have the patience of Job(e) and invariably will be guaranteed a place in heaven .
Looking forward to seeing the 74 RSR and that 'long overdue' beer(s) later in the year.

Good luck mate.

Martin

[lateapex911]

I'd like to think that I have solid standards for behavior, and in my judgment Matteo, the fact that you were sold an engine for 40K (!!!!) that didn't come with complete documentation (cylinder out of round and taper specs, bearing clearances and out of round measurements, etc), is wrong.... but the lack of disclosure that the CASE was once junk is beyond belief. Astounding.
(And as a guy building something for FORTY thousand dollars...(more than many folk make in a year), I'd be crazy careful, and ANYthing that smelled funny wouldn't come CLOSE to that engine.)

You, on the other hand, have taken an exceedingly noble stance, and my hat is off to you.

They say we only leave here with our reputation, and yours is safe.

Good luck down the road, your friends are lucky to be associated with you.

[Reaper930]

Matteo - you have the patience of a saint. Best of luck!

[mjshira]

this is amazing, totally over the top. Matteo has to be one of the coolest guys I've met via our community, he didn't deserve this.

[tshore]

Perhaps more can be salvaged here than rods and camshafts. There is material here for a book. Most of the writing is done already, and the pics are all here too. The story line is compelling. Sales could offset some of the cost of a new motor - or more. A little editing here and there, and...voila! The Gold Plated Porsche done right.

[village idiot]

Originally Posted by Reaper930

Matteo - you have the patience of a saint. Best of luck!

I agree with Reaper, by now I would've done something stupid that would end up with me in jail....something involving hand grenades..................











j/k
Seriously though, best of luck on the new motor and pics of the beast if possible as it goes back together!
Tom

[gsmith660]

Originally Posted by village idiot

I agree with Reaper, by now I would've done something stupid that would end up with me in jail....something involving hand grenades..................











j/k
Seriously though, best of luck on the new motor and pics of the beast if possible as it goes back together!
Tom

Me to, he is a saint and I cant wait to see his new motor in the beast.

[Jack Olsen]

I'm really sorry you had to go through this, Matteo -- but this last chapter reveals a lot about you. It's never easy to completely sort out culpability in this sort of thing, but you've made it very easy to see that you're a class act.

Like everyone else here, I hope the next version of the car is at least as awesome as the previous one should have been.

[SteveM911]

Glad to see you and your car are back on track Matteo, you certainly have some patience.

Bad things do happen to engines from time to time, especially when they're tracked, but I have to say, starting with a good case would seem fundamental
to a good build.

Look forward to seeing you on the track again with the IB'ers.

[cnavarro]

Originally Posted by 911teo

The P&C were scratched and Bob recommended not using them in the current state. I don’t know if LN engineering could fix them or not.
As I recovered from the shock it looked clear that very little could be saved from the old engine especially because now I would want 100% accountability from whoever built the new one and asking them to use a set of unknown P&C did not seem to me the smartest idea.

Matteo, I'm sure the cylinders can be fixed. That's what the warranty is for - you'd just be out shipping cost. They are easily stripped and re-plated and whether you do use them or not on this next build for accountability reasons with your new builder, they are worth something to someone if fixed. Just shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to take care of it for you directly.

I'd be interested in seeing a piston and associated rings to try to find out if they might have attributed to the damage, or if it was something else that caused the irregular wear, since I didn't supply the pistons or rings to CMW, just the cylinders.