Bilstein front inserts - three questions

[defcon65]

Just replaced rears and I'm doing the fronts now. I have three questions about installing the Bilstein inserts into Boge strut housings:
1. Is it necessary to empty the oil in the strut housing and clean it out before installing with new oil (ATF?)
2. Can these be installed without removing the strut housing?
3. What wrench or tool is used to remove and tighten the large threaded nut at the top of the new insert?

Thanks, Joe

[KTL]

1. Some Boge strut assemblies have sealed inserts, some have inserts that use the housing itself as the damper body for the oil, seals, diaphragms, little springs, washers,.......etc. that all comprise the damper portion of the strut. That being said, you will have to empty some if your struts are of the type which use the housing as the damper body.

Question. Why install new oil? I know it's an old racer's trick to use oil or coolant as a means to transfer heat from the damper to the housing for better cooling. I think it's just more trouble than it's worth and can be messy. Just my opinion.

2. Yes. It's good to have a helper counterhold the strut body while you loosen the collar nut that holds the damper in place. Pipe wrench on collar nut and strap wrench (or another pipe wrench) on the strut body works well.

3. The new inserts are supposed to come with a "specialty" wrench that you use to install the new Bilstein collar nuts. Seems more often than not, that wrench is absent from your front shock purchase. It looks like this:



Again, a pipe wrench will suffice to tighten in a pinch. But it is good to have the proper tool since the torque spec is 95 +,- 7 lb-ft. Better to be a little tight than loose. Example: A friend tightened his Konis with a hammer and punch when the special pin wrench wasn't available. Nut eventually came loose and made some loud clunking noises. Could have done some major damage to the strut or threads had we not found the problem the day before the 1st driver's ed. event of the year.

[Bullet Bob]

Make sure you torque these down good when you are installing the new inserts. For a few weeks my car was making a 'clunking' noise when going over speed bumps or rough patches of road so I took the wheel off to have a look. It turned out to be a loose insert retaining nut and I was actually able to remove it by hand. This was shortly after purchasing the car so I didn't install the inserts and I don't know who did. In my case there weren't any marks on the nut indicating a punch or pipe wrench had been used either.

Needless to say, I got one of the special wrenches and torqued them down to spec and there hasn't been any clunking since. Make sure you get it right or it WILL come loose. I think you can install the inserts without removing the strut but you need to be careful with your brake lines and you will have to compress the insert by hand to get it to clear the fender. That is not fun.

Good luck,
Bob

[defcon65]

It looks like my inserts were shipped without the specialty wrench. Would the tool kit spanner for the fan belt nut work? Seems to be the same principal. Also, can the flat washer that's bent against the top nut be re-used? The Bilstein 14-language 'instruction booklet' says no, but they neglected to supply me with a new one.

Thanks for the replies, Joe

[cerberus1]

Sorry to butt in, but I have recently purchased (from a fellow Pelicanite) a used set of these Bilsteins, so naturally no special wrench. Where can I get one?

The 14 language Bilstein instruction booklet would be nice, too, but I realize that's asking a lot.

I do have "101 Projects" though, so I guess I'm OK unless there are some special caveats from the experts or at least the experienced...?

[ChrisBennet]

When I talked to Bilstein they told me not to add oil to the strut housing (Bilstein inserts in Boge strut).
-Chris

[RickM]

Originally posted by cerberus1
Sorry to butt in, but I have recently purchased (from a fellow Pelicanite) a used set of these Bilsteins, so naturally no special wrench. Where can I get one?

Many here have reported that a call to Bilstien will yield a wrench for no cost.

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[cerberus1]

Many thanks, Rick. I love this board!

[defcon65]

All done! I used a spanner I had laying around that fit the notches on the insert perfectly and snugged it up as tight as possible while my helper steadied the strut. Compressing the shock was easy with a long quick-clamp, and since the original Boge shock inserts appeared oily, I went ahead and added a little ATF to the strut before assembly - not much, maybe 1/2 oz was all it would take, a little messy for sure. A large pipe wrench was used to hold the shock washer at the top while torqueing the nut. Worst part was loosening the bottom bolts on the rear shocks, they were factory torqued with Thor's hammer - a real b**ch.
Car does ride higher, I am contemplating lowering it - should I do this before getting an alignment?
BTW, I noticed the rubber brake lines showed some surface aging and slight cracks, that will be my next project before a flush and bleed. I've read the threads and it seems stock rubber replacement brake lines are the consensus choice for performance v. price.
All in all, it was a wonderful, filthy, exasperating and fulfilling experience. Thanks for the replies, guys!

Joe

[Chuck Moreland]

Originally posted by ChrisBennet
When I talked to Bilstein they told me not to add oil to the strut housing (Bilstein inserts in Boge strut).
-Chris

That is correct. No oil in housing with a bilstein strut.

The bilsteins are "upside down". The working bits are on top, and that is were all the heat is generated. Oil at the bottom of the hosing is a pointless, messy exercise.

[KTL]

Yes. Lower the car before alignment. Ride height definitely has an effect on alignment settings!

[randywebb]

OK, now -- if you put Bilstein inserts in a Boge strut housing...

how does that change things?

[KTL]

Originally posted by randywebb
OK, now -- if you put Bilstein inserts in a Boge strut housing...

how does that change things?

I don't understand the question? Please elaborate further.

[randywebb]

do you still not put oil in the strut housidng?

i.e. is a Bilstein insert operating upside down when used in a Boge housing?

[masraum]

No oil in Boge housings for Bilstein inserts. The Bilstein inserts are sealed and wouldn't need or use oil from the outside.

[randywebb]

I'm talking about the oil that provides heat transfer from the insert to the body of the strut housing - not oil for lubrication.

[Nine9six]

Originally posted by ChrisBennet
When I talked to Bilstein they told me not to add oil to the strut housing (Bilstein inserts in Boge strut).
-Chris

This is the same info I got from Bilstein...
Many here have recommended filling with trans fluid to aid cooling.
Mfr say's absolutely not.

[ChrisBennet]

I thought I'd expand on what I mentioned before:

When I first installed the inserts, I had put some oil in the strut to aid cooling. The seal in the retaining collar (at the top of the strut) failed shortly after installing the inserts.

I called Bilstein to get another seal and that is when I asked them about putting oil in the strut (Boge strut, Bilstein insert). They recommended against it.

I don't know if putting oil in the strut had anything to do with the seal failing but the replacement seal (with no oil in the strut) lasted years.

-Chris

[Gunter]

Originally posted by defcon65
All done! I used a spanner I had laying around that fit the notches on the insert perfectly and snugged it up as tight as possible while my helper steadied the strut. Compressing the shock was easy with a long quick-clamp, and since the original Boge shock inserts appeared oily, I went ahead and added a little ATF to the strut before assembly - not much, maybe 1/2 oz was all it would take, a little messy for sure. A large pipe wrench was used to hold the shock washer at the top while torqueing the nut. Worst part was loosening the bottom bolts on the rear shocks, they were factory torqued with Thor's hammer - a real b**ch.
Joe

The 95 ft-lb mentioned before is too high; my info from the Bentley is 65 ft-lb.

Joe: What torque did you use?

[defcon65]

Gunter: lacking the Bilstein tool, I used the torque spec 'tight as I could friggin' get it at the time with a 10" spanner'. I called Bilstein and they are sending me the tool, which looks like it fits on a 1/2" torque wrench. (why Pelican does not ship these with the inserts, I do not understand) Should I snug it up to 65, then?

Thanks, Joe