Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Boulder Colorado
Posts: 3,705
Garage
Worlds fastest snowmobile...and possibly the first powered by Porsche

I don't know that much about snowmobiles...but I figured that like a race car, big motor, light car is usually a promising combination. First, I sourced an available pair of these
and set about fabricating the chassis. As the standard configuration for the 911 bases cars puts the engine in back, I had other reasons for facing it frontwards, first of which was cooling. With the motor facing forwards, the oncoming cool air would actually be driven into the fan, helping to cool the cylinders. The second and not so obvious reason was...well it actually looks cool. The engine is a stock (but good compression and leakdown numbers) 2.2 T with the standard upgrades...carrera tensioners, turbo valve covers running zeniths with 32 chokes. It ran well in the race car until I built the race motor.
Getting power to the snow smoothly was the next problem I faced. This motor is particularly torquey low end, and I didn't want to throw a major rooster tail every time I got on the throttle, and / or shifted. Most snow mobiles utilize a torque converter...which I didn't have. I decided that the shifting part was going to be a problem ...unless I ...yeah I know what you're thinking...pulled out the sportomatic 4 speed I had stashed away years ago for just this reason.
I had a spare 901 shifter lying around (which incidentally IS for sale) and after I mounted it up..gives new meaning to the description "short shift".
Next, I needed to integrate a throttle that was simple, yet ergonomically suitable to the beast being created. The throttle linkage that connects to the bellcrank on the right side of the trannie happened to be in the perfect location...mounting the throttle pedal was a snap.
I figured that as this was going to weigh in close to 450 lbs, brakes were not going to be a necessity... however, steering was. I remember from my last experience with a snow mobile, that at low speeds, steering was awful, at medium speeds ...bad, and only at high speeds was the steering approaching "acceptable". I was also never keen on the handlebar format, and since my throttle would be foot operated, I could do away with the handlebar "squeeze throttle" and go with a standard steering wheel. I just pulled a brand new Momo Competion out of storage and with some simple engineering...completed the steering rack and installed it.
While loose at the outset, with some adjustability, it tightened right up. I finished up the chassis, and mounted the skiis...now fully operational...and steerable. You will notice that the chassis is somewhat unconventional. It actually borrows from the aviation industry where during the first and second world wars, steel was a scarcity, and wood airframes were pushed into service due to the availability, flexibility, and forgiveness of the material. I had the wood ,and decided to give it a try. If it seems "boxy", and unstreamlined, remember, this is a prototype


Last edited by speedo; 12-31-2007 at 07:41 PM..
Old 12-31-2007, 05:26 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Boulder Colorado
Posts: 3,705
Garage
Time for a road test...or in this case, a driveway test

I have a rather long driveway, which at my altitude in Colorado usually looks like this
with one major lefthander out to the county road
I would have to get on the throttle quickly to get the steering up to speed, clear the chicanes (suvs) in the driveway, around the right hander...
Then after a gentle right...accelerate hard up the hill to have enough speed to hit the lefthander and out to the road. We have had high winds and a lot of drifting snow recently, and while my trucks have very different characteristics "plowing through the packed drifts, they inevitably get "high centered" due to weight of the truck forcing the narrow wheels into the drifts. This shouldn't happen if I can keep the speed up and the skiis on top of the snow.
He emerges from the shop...
looking somewhat tentative

You can see what the design has borrowed from other sports
Initially it was difficult to start, which I attribute partially to the cold, and the fact that it ( the motor) had been mothballed for several months. Just to check out the engagement of the motor and sportomatic, I gave it a little throttle and moved it off the garage apron..."first tracks."
AS the proud father...I had to take some completion photos

As you can see the fan blades look almost stationary...it idles really low, like maybe 5 rpm (no thats no typo!)...very quiet, unlike a lot of two stroke snowmobiles.
I made a couple quick passes up the driveway...way too much power...really need to feather it in the turns. Surprisingly, ther was very little chassis flex or roll, which I totally attribute to the wood used in the construction.
More later on the high speed "shake-down"...

Last edited by speedo; 12-31-2007 at 07:46 PM..
Old 12-31-2007, 05:55 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered
 
Poor-sche Lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pittsburg, KS
Posts: 645
Garage
Dude, you are seriously nuts!
Old 12-31-2007, 06:13 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
don911's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,884
Garage
Great, now a porsche motor is going to be featured on the next "you know you're a redneck when" web site.
__________________
Don
24 Cayman GTS - GT Silver
23 Cayman GTS - Arctic Grey - Sold
97 993 Coupe - Arctic/Black - Sold
13 991 Coupe - Platinum/Black - Sold, 87 911 Coupe - Venetian Blue
Old 12-31-2007, 06:35 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Regis turd ab user
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tacomatose, Wa USA
Posts: 1,489
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor-sche Lover View Post
Dude, you are seriously nuts!
Yeah!
The steering wheel is facing the WRONG direction!
Old 12-31-2007, 06:37 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
jonbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Burlingame, CA
Posts: 538
That bailing wire doesn't look too stable, have you considered duct tape instead?
__________________
- Everything's easier once you get started. -
'95 993 C2
'73 911 Targa
'88 BMW M3
'84 Mercedes 190e 2.3 16v
Old 12-31-2007, 06:41 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
up-fixing der car(ma)
 
YTNUKLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Fremont, CA
Posts: 3,762
Garage
Send a message via AIM to YTNUKLR
I guess I missed the memo
__________________
Scott Kinder
kindersport @ gmail.com
Old 12-31-2007, 07:08 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
rockinseattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Washington
Posts: 14
It's very original, I'll give you that
__________________
1980 Porsche 911 SC
2004 1.8L Turbo Beetle Convertible
2002 Subaru Forester
2000 Honda Accord SE
1997 Chevrolet 1500
Old 12-31-2007, 07:14 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Air Medal or two
 
afterburn 549's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: cross roads
Posts: 14,123
I think you would have a better hole shot with a Nichol plated cogged belt . I bet you are under 9 sec . right ?
__________________
D troop 3/5 Air Cav,( Bastard CAV) and 162 Assult Helicopter Co- (Vultures) South of Saigon, U Minh Forest, Delta, and all parts in between
Old 12-31-2007, 07:19 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
gungadin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 224
MUSH!!!
Old 12-31-2007, 07:58 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Home of the Whopper
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Rocky Top, TN
Posts: 6,909
Garage
That's pretty cool Lars. It gives me more incentive to get the car ready for it's new tranny. Not sure how the skis are going to work down here in the sand, but I'll figure something out. But seriously, step away from the paint thinner. You're even building one of your cars upside down!
__________________
1968 912 coupe
1971 911E Targa rustbucket
1972 914 1.7
1987 924S
Old 12-31-2007, 11:03 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Bland
 
unclebilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: I'm 'out there...'
Posts: 8,691
Garage
I hate to break this too you but that is not the most powerful snowmobile... the factory mountain machines are all over 150 HP now, add a can for another 10 HP. Also, the first time you have to dig that thing out of a tree well you'll probably want to call in a chopper!

I do give it an A+ for the cool factor of the porsche power plant tho, way more reliable than Polaris and cooler than the Suzuki engines in the Arctic Cats... are you working on an altitude compensation system for it yet?
__________________
06 Cayenne Turbo S and 11 Cayenne S
77 911S Wide Body GT2 WCMA race car
86 930 Slantnose - featured in Mar-Apr 2016 Classic Porsche
Sold: 76 930, 90 C4 Targa, 87 944, 06 Cayenne Turbo, 73 911 ChumpCar endurance racer - featured in May-June & July-Aug 2016 Classic Porsche
Old 01-01-2008, 07:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered
 
jbripps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New City, NY USA
Posts: 1,144
Garage
need to see you on that thing ....
__________________
Jon
'85 Targa (recently acquired by Coollx)
'02 Carrera 4S (holy moly...I'm in heaven....in the snow too)
'06 BMW 325i (gone and forgotten)
'03 Honda Odyssey (more dings every day....thanks wifey)
Old 01-01-2008, 07:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Fairfield, CA
Posts: 60
Hmmmm,
Roll car over onto top, use engine hoist to remove engine, no laying down on cold shop floor to unhook everything. I like it.
__________________
Don
'83 911 cabriolet (my toy)
Old 01-01-2008, 08:26 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered
 
3.2 CAB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: MS.
Posts: 2,322
I must give him an A++ for his dedication to get the beast to function correctly, as we know difficult they are to get running as it should.
__________________
84' Steelslantnose Cab.
1953 Dodge B-4-B-108" 90,127 miles
1953 Dodge B-4-C-116" 58,146 miles
1954 Dodge C-1-B8-108" 241V8 POLY
1973 Roadrunner 440-SIX-PACK*
1986 F-250 Super Cab-460 V8 tow
Newest additions-
Matching numbers 1973 340 Road Runner!!
1948 Dodge B-1-F-152" 1-1/2 ton Dump body, 39,690 miles
others...
Old 01-01-2008, 08:39 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Brando
 
quattrorunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: St. George Utah
Posts: 6,528
Garage
If only you used Volkl skiis. Keep it German man. Nice crate.
__________________
Turbo powa!
1977 911s. it's cool
Old 01-01-2008, 08:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
RETIRED
 
Joe Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: BOULDER Colorado
Posts: 39,412
Garage
At least he had the good sense to use a SKI design AND Rossignols....I woulda seriously upchucked if he was going to use a snowboarder design.

One thing...that particular model is soft in the bumps.
__________________
1983/3.6, backdate to long hood
2012 ML350 3.0 Turbo Diesel
Old 01-01-2008, 08:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Naples Fla / Avalon NJ
Posts: 5,875
Garage
Knucklehead!
__________________
63 356 2.1 Rally Coupe
75 911M 2.7 MFI
86 Sports Purpose Carrera "O4"
19 991.2 S
Old 01-01-2008, 09:06 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #19 (permalink)
Registered
 
kplackmeyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 73
I especially like the seat...oh...wait....

__________________
Kerry Plackmeyer
1975 911s
Old 01-01-2008, 09:15 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #20 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:07 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.