Differences between SWB & LWB. How to make a turbolook SWB

[NY65912]

A SWB car is the closet rendition of a 911 to the original design of the 901. It is also the link between the 356 and the 911.

SWB cars are becoming harder to find and are considered special because of it's lineage.

[art911]

Anyone can tell me how this car became widebody then ? Where the rear wings changed to a lwb ones? But on the other side, how could these be installed if the rear is shorter ? I just dont get it

[haycait911]

Originally Posted by art911

Anyone can tell me how this car became widebody then ? Where the rear wings changed to a lwb ones? But on the other side, how could these be installed if the rear is shorter ? I just dont get it

with steel and fiberglass and bondo, you can make anything fit anything else.


art911, are you SURE this is a swb? vin tags don't always tell the truth. maybe measure the wheelbase? wheel center to wheel center on one side with fronts straight ahead. should be 87 inches. it's just hard to imagine such a complete conversion on a swb.

[pksystems]

The way you make a SWB turbo look is you flare the rear wheels..... and if you don't have a swb rear bumper (think GT Racing does sell them) you add on to the rear bumper to fill the gap to flares. On the turbo look SWB the rear bumper should be 2+" longer to the flare, then a lwb, altho with the flares it would be harder to notice.

If that is a conversion, it does look very complete. The PO of mine did a conversion, but I can easily tell that the wheels are too far forward (and way too tall) Usually the torsion tube hole will be near the edge of the flare, unless whoever did it used a lwb flare (like my PO)

[304065]

Originally Posted by art911

Anyone can tell me how this car became widebody then ? Where the rear wings changed to a lwb ones? But on the other side, how could these be installed if the rear is shorter ? I just dont get it

What is the VIN? Should start with a "3" and be six digits.

[art911]

it is a 66 car

[MarKoBrow]

Art you have a nice looking car, I am at a loss, what are asking? The car is already converted are you trying to increase the wheel base?

Just for he record I have seen more than one 911R SWB car with ST style flares on them in fact one is sitting in a museum in Sweden now. Considering the real cost vs Value restoring a SWB I am glad to see one more on the road as opposed to rusting in a shed waiting to be restored ..... "when I get the money one day"

[art911]

Thanx MarkoBrow

the car has 930/965 flares not ST, and unknown Aarms and bananas on the back with some huge spacers. I would like to convert it to turbo type rear arms and get rid of the huge wheel spacers. I am going to make it a 74RS replica for track use so I am asking for the best suspension setup for it.
I only need to know what it takes to convert it.
MONEY IS NO OBJECT!!!! I only want to make this specific car a nice track weapon.
I apologize to the purists, but I got the car like this. I didn't convert it myself

[javadog]

Another consideration is that there are some people involved in racing these things that prefer the geometry of the standard 911 rear arms over those of the turbo. You might want to talk to the people that prepare these cars for racing and get their feedback, before you spend the money to put a new torsion tube in the car.

JR

[MarKoBrow]

I agree with Java, the standard aluminum arms may be an easier set-up, If you need to use turbo arms Check in Bruce Anderson's book ( PORSCHE 911 Performance )on page 200 and 201. There is some explanation of what it would take and the geometry to make it work. Having said this the SWB cars are better for track use than the long wheel-based cars and I had a turbo and the spacers come with the package. You might want to check you wheel offsets and maybe you can use smaller spacers or get some custom made and eliminate the spacer all together.

[stv951]

any more on this subject ?

[art911]

PROGRESS...

I have stripped the car, which as mentioned is a 1966 converted to 965 look using steel wheels.
I have found a set of rear 930 arms as well as the 930 torque tube.
The car had a 3,0SC torque tube installed. I will take this out and install the 930 torque tube.
The question is shall I put it exactly at the same points that the SC tube was welded ?
If I do that and install the short 930 arms as well as all the front and rear 930 suspension components will the car become a lwb 930 ?

[art911]

Anyone has any response on this ????