Well then it's quite simple, do not reply to the thread...

It was not a thread just for street tire use. But I think the dismissal of what tires people like for the street is short sighted as well. And I do not drive recklessly on the street. Different tires DO feel differently, even on the street. Some tires are better suited for different types of cars. Some street tires do better or worse in the rain (despite what is claimed by a source selling them). Some get better or worse tread wear. yada yada yada. I would think that these things are worthwhile information to the basic street driver. I did not start the thread to get in a pissing contest. I was only interested in what people driving 911's, albeit we may all drive differently, think about different tires they have on their cars.

I have to stop now. Look, if you feel like posting something useful to this thread, then please do... if not then don't... simple as that. It is all good on my end...

that's hilarious: nobody can post in this thread unless they agree with v8ranch cuz he started the thread.

he forgets that this is a public forum.

i agree it doesn't make much sense to sweat over street tires. there are so many very good street tires available.

i personally like something that's easy on the wallet, has rubber that is not rock hard, has a high profile to make for a softer ride and has a good rain tread.

there is no way i could begin to rate tires using the form provided by v8ranch. i trust my tire shop and take their recommendation. and then i don't drive the car on the street beyond the limits of the tire, which are beyond what i'd ever need for the street anyway.

so don't sweat it.

Fixed that for you, }{ :D

Fact is, unless you have the car in a drift in that off-ramp, your performance issues are due to you finding the limits of your driving, not the tires.

I know how you feel. I used to be the guy trying to carve it up on the street too, whining about how my ES100s got "too greasy" on the off ramps :rolleyes: Then I took those ES100s to the track and watched an instructor drive them 10x harder that I ever did. I realized at that moment that it wasn't the tires that were crap, it was my driving.

I know that may not be what you want to hear. There have been many of us who have done this and realized all the things that were thought were car issues (tires, suspension, etc) were really our own driving issues. It's not a dismissal, either. It's pointing out that for the average street driver, the single biggest difference in tire performance is the driver. Buy a set of cheap Kuhmos and spend the rest on DEs. You'll end up a better driver than if you dumped a bunch of money on the SO2s.

You want to know how long the tire will last? Look at the wear rating.
You want a tire that will stick? Buy R-compounds.

Good luck in your search.

What are you talking about?!?:confused:

I just asked for some opinions and now this thing is turning into a typical OT thread. If someone wants to post, then post. No need to sweat about this thread either.:p

Seriously, I meant no harm guys. Just wanted some opinions on tires. It seems like once a week there is a thread started along the lines of what is the best tire, or what do you think about this tire, etc, etc. I thought it might possibly be helpful to others to see one basic thread on the subject. Now I have been here long enough now to realize the plan was not perfect, as there are always stray threads.

And if you will read the first post, you will see that I mentioned I was not an expert on this and solicited feedback as to better parameters. It was just a thread people...:D

OK, enough of my opining. I'm moving on... and PLEASE feel free to post whatever is on your mind on this thread.SmileWavy

I am not too proud that I cannot agree with you here. I definitely need to learn how to drive!;) I guess I am just a little amazed this thread has caught so much crap. It's not like it has anything to do with women's leather boots!:eek: Now where have I seen that one before? :eek:

No offense to anyone at all. I hope it was not taken that way.SmileWavy

x2 on S03s, but not if street-only driving. They're decent for instructed-group driving if you'r einto DEs (for SCs and Carreras -- not sure about newer or older cars). If street only, listen to Noah and save some shekels.

Oh, and the cloverleaf thing -- I'm not sure I understand your point. There was some squirmyness, but maybe it was just sidewall flex or deep (i.e., new) tread, and not an actual adhesion problem? Best way to be sure if test until back end breaks loose...

David, what I meant by the "tires rolling off the car sideways" was sidewall flex, or stiffness.

Noah (and Buck and Jazz adn Harlequin),

I did not mean to sound so argumentative before. I guess I just took your comments the wrong way (lack of sleep on my end perhaps).

I don't discount what you all said. I guess the problem might be that we got too focused on street tires. I do not know if I completely buy the 5 tire test theory Noah. I am no race car driver, but I think most people who enjoy driving could notice some differences in the performance of different tires, even on the street, even in the same class of tires. This does not mean that the tire is being pushed to it's max potential either (my example of the local cloverleaf exit was only meant to be one example, and in fact, meant ot be a lessor case example - if my sidewall is flexing at 35 mph around a cloverleaf ramp, whatis it going to do if I am ever in the situation - on the street - where I am forced to swerve out of the way of something). That is why on the suggested[/COLOR] questions to consider, I asked things like overall rating track use and overall rating street use. It was not meant to be a track or street only deal from the start. Not all of us here track the cars. Some just want to know it is there if you need it.

Again, sorry that I made more of this than it might have been today... it was not my intention. Perhaps different criteria should have been used, but then I did ask for suggestions.;)

Street tires, for me, are all about safety. Many things go into that as you know. Some of the other things people like to know is how noisy a tire is, or what the ride comfort is. The thread again, was not meant to be science, but a gathering of opinions about different tires people have tried out on a 911. I guess I only viewed my suggestions for criteria to comment on as basic information and opinoin, and not so much "fine grained analysis". I just trust more of your opinions when it comes to stuff like this than other associations I have.

So, I appreciate your comments. I hope you understand mine better now and no offense was taken.

Warm regards friends...SmileWavy

I'll have to disagree. I think the above is more or less correct as long as you are looking at a single performance measure - say stick on dry pavement or some such.

But when you try to balance or optimize multi-variately, then some tires really are much better. A case in point is the ES-100s vs. the B'stone S03's. I've tried both new -- within a month of each other on the same roads. The ES-100s performed poorly at 50 oF compared to the S0-3's.

Also, the S-03's will deliver their high performance for a long time as the tread wears down and the rubber ages. B'stone has protected the hell out of that technology just as Apple did with the iphone, so it will be a while before other companies can achieve that.

So, for rain, aging, AND high performance you do achieve better results with certain tires.

The same may go for noise AND perf.

For performance alone, I would not worry.

I get stressed out enough about baby seals being clubbed to death ;)
As far as tires go. I did just put on a set of Goodrich GS something or others. The ride is smoother but I'm comparing them to old and wore out Perellis. I am with the group that says price and cool tread design. I hope to go to 17's in the near future and will be going with Goodyears, very cool tread design. As for safety, I'd like to think with all the money we give the government any tire sold on the US market will be safe. I know, wishful thinking.

This really IS the ultimate tire thread!

When my tires wear out, I'm going to get those tires with the tread pattern that looks like this: <<<< I think they look nice.

Shane,
I have to agree with VaSteve, go with the tires that have the <<<<<<!
I really like mine!
If you have a British P-Car, I'd go with the >>>>>>> kind. :D

I can assure you that baby seals are no longer used in making tire treads.

now that's funny Jerry, and Steve...

Thanks, you guys are killing me...:D

I am running Kuhmo MXs on my 50 = 50 track street car with 245-40-18s on the front and 265-35-18's in the back. I like them. Great bang for the buck.

+1!

I've heard good things about the Kuhmo MX, but don't have personal experience. I've heard they are great on the street, very good for AX, but melt when pushed on DE's.
I've had really good luck with Falken 451/452's on street driving, but were rendered useless during DE's! They had amazing grip in the wet and dry street driving. Another tire to very seriously consider is the Hankook RS2. IMHO, you won't find a stickier non-DOT R street tire for the money! My only complaint, they didn't hold up to heat cycling before tread wore out. I used them for street driving, and a lot of DE use too. I still had + 3/32nds of tread left, but they couldn't take any more heat cycles without becoming useless after 5 minutes on the track. The RS2's are the perfect candidate if you mainly use for street, AX, and maybe a few DE's. I was really beating the crap out of mine at the track, and that's why they fell off so quickly!
RS2's and 452's can be had for cheap here! www.edgeracing.com

I finally switched to RA1's, as my car is now used 90% for track days. It has initially lowered my track time by 5 seconds a lap on a 2.5 mile road coarse (WSIR.) While superb for track use, the RA1 for just street use would be idiotic. My car feels sloppy on the street & freeway going to the track. The tires don't turn on until you have significant heat built up in them. The kind of heat you won't have until several squad cars & a helicopter are chasing you!:eek:

I wish you would have posted that before I went to bed last night, I would have slept much much better. Is that why older tires squeel? :D
Yes the Goodyears I'm looking at look like that <<<<<<<<< or is it >>>>>>>.
hmmmm...

I think that they shoot them now instead of clubbing them. They don't have a chance to squeal! Perhaps that is why some tires are quieter now.....
Look for the label "No baby seals were harmed in the making of this tire!"

STIFF SIDEWALLS!!! That is a huge key and it is not just for the curves. I had some really great performing tires on my 944 so I got the same thing for the 911. Big mistake! Took a little trip last night and with the tire pressure at 36 psi in the rear on the way it was very squirelly. So I bumped the pressure up to 44 psi and felt an immediate improvement , but that was not a real solution. The Yoko AVS of yore were much more solid and did not wiggle on the side to side push at 35-40+psi. All this makes me wonder about the old cross bias tires like Good Year Sports Car Specials on th eback of the old 911s in the early days of radials. Anyone who can comment?

Diverdan

Diverdan

Note - that there is some degree of people talking at cross-purposes here. Some are talking about what the ultimate performance is that can be wrung out of a tire.

Others are talking about the handling feel of the tire...