Factory weights 3.2 Carreras...

[911st]

Anyone have the factory published weights for the following.

84-86 Carrera (915 transmission)
87-89 Carrera (G50 transmission)
84-86 Factory Turbo Look

Only the coupes needed, others if you have them.

Thx

[richde]

Depends on where you look.

Just in the Porsche 911 Buyer's Guide the weights fluctuate between 2760 and 2670 for '84-86, but a C/D article that someone scanned shows 2760 as the weight of a car with sunroof, A/C and spoilers. The buyer's guide shows 2756 for the G50 models, but who knows what heavy options that includes. It also says to add 110lbs for Turbo look.

[livi]

I believe PAG quoted 1210 kg/2670 lbs for all Carrera year models. But maybe they were primarily referring to ROW cars. My completely stock coupe 85 (with A/C) tips the scales at exactly 1210 kg with half a tank and no driver.

[CRNT918]

How about an '87 cab?

[Cattler]

These curb weights are from my 1987 911 Turbo / 911 Carrera Owner's Manual:

911 Carrera: 2756 lbs. / 1250 kg
Turbo Body / Chassis Option: 2866 lbs. / 1300 kg
911 Turbo: 2976 lbs. / 1350 kg

[911st]

Originally Posted by Cattler

These curb weights are from my 1987 911 Turbo / 911 Carrera Owner's Manual:

911 Carrera: 2756 lbs. / 1250 kg
Turbo Body / Chassis Option: 2866 lbs. / 1300 kg
911 Turbo: 2976 lbs. / 1350 kg

Thanks guys!

Looks like we may have the factory quotes for the 87-89 models. Anyone have it for the 84-86 models?

I am thinking a 84-86 factory Turbo Look might be very close to the weight of a G50 transmission Carrera normal.

[Bill Verburg]

the DIN factory weights for '84-87 from the spec book
911 Carrera 1210kg
t/l 1260kg
t 1335kg
they didn't differentiate beteen years or models(coupe vs targa)

[911st]

The PCA rule book lists class weights for all models. I do not know how these were determined of if there is some manipulation. This is what they list:

2812lbs for the 915 Carrera
2906lbs for the G50 Carrera
2922lbs for the 915 Factory Turbo Look

I guess one can conclude the G50 Carrera's (87-89) weigh basically the same as the 915 TL.

The early TL has bigger brakes, a couple of square feet of added sheet metal in the fenders, a little more mass in the hubs & rear arms, and a turbo tail.

The G50 has a heaver clutch pack and transmission.

I guess they could be comparable.

[911st]

For reference, when I weighed my 84 Carrera I came in right at 2800 lbs with no spoilers.

[ChkbookMechanic]

I have an '84 Coupe and it weighed in at 2897 w/ 200lbs in the driver seat when it was corner balanced. Full tank of gas and spoilers.

[Mitch Leland]

Last weekend the HCRPCA DE had scales. My "84" Turbo Look with 17 gals + or - of fuel was 2,799 lbs.

[Mitch Leland]

Originally Posted by Mitch Leland

Last weekend the HCRPCA DE had scales. My "84" Turbo Look with 17 gals + or - of fuel was 2,799 lbs.

P.S. the 2,799 is W/O driver and my car has A/C, CATS, it also had the jack, and factory tool kit.

Chkbook Mechanic's car is a 100 lbs lighter, do you have A/C?

[DYB]

Amazing how many variations there are on this. My understanding for ROW Coupe cars is as follows

84-86 is 2557 lb or 1160 Kg
87-89 is 2667 lb or 1210 Kg

These weights are with no sunroof, no spoilers, no Aircon. Also 84-86 models were also with 15inch wheels where later models came with 16 inch wheels which probably added a bit.

For american cars I think that the above numbers would be higher as they came with alot of options as standard (eg aircon).

Wish there was a definitive source listing every variation from every country in one place.

[ChkbookMechanic]

Originally Posted by Mitch Leland

P.S. the 2,799 is W/O driver and my car has A/C, CATS, it also had the jack, and factory tool kit.

Chkbook Mechanic's car is a 100 lbs lighter, do you have A/C?

I've got the AC. The only thing not in my car was the air compressor which I don't have. At the time the only modifications to the car were:

• Fikse FM10 wheels 17x7.5, 17x9 w/ PSCups
• Elephant racing suspension (qc spring plates, qc camber plates, 935 chassis brace, poly bronze bushings, lca mounts, rear monoballs, 23/31 torsion bars)
• steering rack spacers
• m&k euro premuffler & sw chip

[911st]

Originally Posted by Mitch Leland

P.S. the 2,799 is W/O driver and my car has A/C, CATS, it also had the jack, and factory tool kit.

Chkbook Mechanic's car is a 100 lbs lighter, do you have A/C?

All the Carrera's had AC standard from the factory, SCs had it as an option.

My car has Fuchs 7&8's, LSD, Factory electric sport seats, SR, leather, but not spoilers.

Weighed on a Scale at the dump transfer station.

Do not remember how much gas was in the car.

I thought the TL's were supposed to be pigs. I guess if you had a G50 cab TL with all the trimmings...

[spence88mph]

Yep I would love to know the weight difference between a Carrera with spoilers and matching equipment to a Turbo look.

[911st]

I guess I am thinking one of your members went light weight with a G50 Carrera normal down to 2350 to 2400 lbs and it still had a steel hood and sunroof.

Thinking a striped TL with a fiber hood, tail, bumpers, race seats... could get close to the 2300's.

[Mitch Leland]

Originally Posted by 911st

All the Carrera's had AC standard from the factory, SCs had it as an option.

My car has Fuchs 7&8's, LSD, Factory electric sport seats, SR, leather, but not spoilers.

Weighed on a Scale at the dump transfer station.

Do not remember how much gas was in the car.

I thought the TL's were supposed to be pigs. I guess if you had a G50 cab TL with all the trimmings...

Not to beat this to death, but it is interesting since weight reduction is horse power, over and above the equipment mentioned above I also have a sunroof. 16" BBS wheels, M&K sport muffler. That's about it, it's a pretty much a stock car. The scales were electronic 4 corner scales. 2,799 lbs. I had a full fuel less 20 minutes of track time so I'm guessing I used maybe 3 gallons.

[911st]

Originally Posted by spence88mph

Yep I would love to know the weight difference between a Carrera with spoilers and matching equipment to a Turbo look.

Spense,

It looks like a G50 car weighs about 100 lbs more.

Looks like a TL weighs 100 lbs more again.

I think a rear Turbo spoiler is about 20-30 lbs.

The Carrera has cast iron brake calipers to the TL's alloy ones. But the TL rotors are bigger. I think there is another bearing race in a 930 rear arm, some added spacer/material to get the rims 2" further out...

Basically the difference looks to be mostly the rotors and rear spoiler???

Some site the TL's added frontal area as a draw back. Wonder it the reduced drag of a Turbo Spoiler makes up for that at all over a non spoiler Carrera normal.

I also wonder how much the added almost 2" track on each side (8% + wider track) helps handling dynamics.

[spence88mph]

yep I wonder what the difference in weight is between a Carrera spoiler and a turbo spoiler, couldn't be much more that 10 pounds if that? Most carreras I see at track days are running 8s/9s ****s and bigger brakes anyway as the stock carrera brakes aren't too popular over here...