Marcus' Euro has no lids on the door pockets and no passenger side sun visor. It had the left fender swoopy decal also. Anyone have a pic of that?

see here for decal and more:

http://911clubsport.netfirms.com/photos/USA/pages/jason_5_overh.htm

Thanks guys.

I don't have a pic of Marcus' Euro. If it has the fender "swoosh" its likely from Germany. None of the CS's had door pocket lids (weight reduction) and 6 of the 29 US/Canadian CS's do not have the passenger side visor.
The pic sent by Shirish is the only US CS in Diamond Blue Metallic (the 911SC Weissach color); good shot of the swoosh (which varies in color depending on the car's color). My bad! I plumb forgot about this website developed by a Aussie CS owner! Also see the basic link for more CS data and pics. http://911clubsport.netfirms.com/history.htm

Tom,

Great site. Did not know there might be different gear ratios. Would be nice to know what they were.

Going CS is easier an low risk.

If I go IROC/74 Carrera I would likely net about $14k. After tax the Turbo Look would be $12k.

It is risky I would think trying to sell a car in this economy. Plus with the high miles I could be getting my self into a full motor and trans build.

Still the 74, as one said, is sexey and with the TL suspension and brakes a nice starting point. However I could end up over $30k in the RS which is getting close to RS America range.

Think the CS might actually end up a faster car at DE's with less drag and about 100lbs less weigh to start.

Tough one but the kind of problem to have I guess.

Good luck - sounds like a fun project! From my experience, its a safe bet that you'll never get back all money put into a car that is modified from stock configuration, but it sure is fun spending that money to get the car YOU want!
As listed on the website ounder "Technical", the gear ratios from the PCNA press release on the CS:
1st 3.50:1
2nd 2.06;1
3rd 1.41:1
4th 1.13:1
5th 0.89:1
Reverse 2.86:1
Final drive 3.44:1

Good Thread.

As the Register Secretary for the Porsche Club GB - I'm not aware of any CS with a sunroof apart from Tom's. Certainly there are no UK cars. They are distinct enough and the only "odd" one is in Red with White script.

Coming to the carpet, it's the early "salt 'n pepper" material with no backing - i.e. like the 73RS.

My car is below. FYI, I'm driving the car which the photographer was hanging out of to take this one.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66...reallymine.jpg

PS - the Porsche Script mentioned earlier in the post ? See Below

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66...1/Interior.jpg

Oh that is beautiful.

Wonder what color rims came on the Red CS with white script.

There is some confusion to me about the weight difference was it 100 kg or 100 lbs difference?

Yep - Steve's car is a definitely an award winner!
The figure is 110lbs. It would for sure be nice if it was 110kilos; that would be over 240lbs!

Some racing pics/video of Aussie CS
 

Seeing the above UK CS reminded me that I do have other racing CS pics; in this case from Mark Clair ("Keyman Racing") in Australia - enjoy!
Many more youtube theads are out there re: Mark's racing too.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/E9C29FF5AC904EA1A6FA93D154E566C3/2007-lake-mountain-sprint-mo.aspx?m_tkc=3596830

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1226960647.jpg

Ooops - here's a better pic.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1226961705.jpg

170lbs vice 110lbs? I'll take it!
 

Just received my November Pano - page 69 refers to a 170lb savings over the stock 911; not sure where that info came from but I'll have to do more research!
Later,

Quote:

"The LSD was an option on the CS"

All of the UK Cars were fitted with the Getrag LSD. However, according to all the serious racers out there, the slip rate was not as hard as people expected (40%?) and although of value on a track needed optimising.

Of course... if anyone has other inputs, that would be really welcome.

Its the amount of tq that the Getrag LSDs can transfer that makes them fairly useless for racing IIRC, unlike Powerhaus or Gaurds for example. I also doubt there is even 40% lock-up. They are basically winter diffs that help you get moving on slippery ground.

A couple of other points to clarify. The seats are just 3.2 sports seats with manual adjustment and cloth trim. The design and bolsters are not unusual. I thought the potential gear ratio differences where unconfirmed and most likely there was no gear ratio change. I got copied on a bunch of emails by Steve Darnell some 3 or 4 years back and that's where I recall it ending.

The CS is no doubt a lovely car, but then so is a 3.2 with a few choice option deletions. In fact creating a CS-style car is pretty easy and cheap once a good donor 3.2 is located - this has become fairly common in the UK and there are a lot of CS-style cars now with stronger engines, lighter weight and better suspensions than the original. Of course to a collector they are not worth as much, but they make great cars to drive rather than polish.

That's exactly where I sit. The CS is a great car to drive and very collectible. But the true value lies in the fact that it's a CS, not that it's a quantum leap better than a normal 3.2 Carrera.

That's why I got a bit pissed at my mate who insisted on modifying his CS. OK - it's his car and he can do what he wants, and there's no doubt the mods made the car better, but it is totally true that the same mods made on a non-sunroof 3.2 which has had some bits removed would result in as good a car.

This thread does make me want to build a CS clone though...

No height adjustment. So, the boys in Zuffenhausen decided to add some small spacers under the seat to get you back to "normal".

Regarding the concept of modifying your CS for track use... all I can report (with 100% certainty) is that whilst you might make it faster, you had better spend your money elsewhere if you wish to re-sell @ / around the market price. I've been monitoring the prices of all cars sold over the last 7 years and some serious money has changed hands for a CS - when it is standard.

Track cars (lighter / better etc) never fetch as much.

If.. you want a CS that is.

This same debate rages amongst 964 owners related to the RS America (I owned two street version and one well-prepared track car).

My position is two-fold. One, the law of supply and demand never changes and two, the consumer always votes with their pocket book. The reality is that a true CS is the most rare of the low production performance-oriented 911's produced. Therefore. the price of entry in the CS market in the U.S. starts in the mid $50's (at best) and works itself up to $110k +.

It may sound crazy but I remember when the 73 RS prices rose from $75k to $125k. Current range is $250k and expect great examples to hit $500k in the next several years as we all would rather own a tangible asset that we love vs. another fund manger getting rich as our investment portfolio sinks daily.

Yes, you can replicate a CS as you can a 73 RS or RS America but it will not hold the same value or attraction for potential buyers.

15" rims are as much as 20lbs lighter than same width 16's. One owner that carefully weighed everything relating to the A/C came in at about 50 lbs there. I have read that the SR is close to 40 lbs. Rear seats are about 12 lbs I guess. Then there is the insulation and little bits eliminated. On the flip side the LSD adds a few lbs.

Looks like a bit over 100lbs.

Porsche could have lightened it more with a couple of little things like putting a smaller battery as I think the stocker came in at about 65lbs. The spar could have been replaced with a can of flat fix like the Gt 3.

Would have been neat if they added the thiner glass and an Alloy hood or something at least a little exotic.


Anyone know if the Red CS had black, red, or white rims from the factory? SmileWavy

Well, ~7 of the UK cars (mine included) were supplied without any undersealing whatsoever.

This limited the Porsche warranty to 2 years. In addition, and not to be forgotten, the car is almost devoid of any sound deadening panels.

In point of fact, even the small slab under the rear parcel shelf in the engine bay is missing on mine, so the aural pleasure is spot-on.

However, you are right. The car was not totally stripped out because if you are student of the era, you will realise that Porsche was nearly broke @ that time and couldn't afford to make a 3.2 "RS". I have studied some of the very early documentation that surrounded it's launch and the head of the development dept went (as he puts it) as far as he could without incurring major expense.

There are some really nice touches as well like:-

Collapsible tubes for the impact bumper instead of the much heavier shock absorbers.
Simplified wiring loom.
All UK cars had no passenger visor
No rear speakers
Lightweight spare wheel

Of course, they could have gone further (Glass / mirrors / etc) but I think £'s / dm / $ were just too tight.

Wanted to buy 1989 Porsche club sport . Just wondering if anyone knows of a 1989 Porsche club sport in the Colorado area. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.