Value of a slant nose conversion?
 

I've been looking at a 1980 slant nose Carrera with 85k miles, not far from my home. Some of you may have seen it on Ebay for the last 6 months.. The slant nose look has grown on me lately. There isn't much info. on who did the conversion (just that it's all-steel). They are asking 22K for it, which seems steep to me for a non-factory job. Anyway, what's a "good deal" on a non-factory slant nose?


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1980 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA SLANTNOSE for Sale in St. Louis, Missouri

$16k ~ $18k for that car on a good day.

Seems spendy to me....note that if a 1980 it was an SC...not carrera. From pics it has a 84-89 3.2 motor. Not a bad thing, just seems to me this car may have been cobbled together....it certainly is nowhere near original. IMO slant nose non-factory conversions add little or no extra value except in rare cases.

Search classified section here usin "slant nose" as a search term....far nicer cars come around for much less than asking price on this one.

Just my $.02.

I wonder where they found the NADA value? $31,400

Would have to agree... note also that it's a "narrow body" conversion.. no Turbo flares, vents, or Turbo tail. Car is just all wrong fr that kind of money. Pass!

You should pass. On top of all the other good reasons the 80 SC should have an 85 MPH speedo. You cant even know what the mileage is.

Yeah, it seemed like a hodgepodge of parts from different years that they may have paid too much for. In the 6 months or so it's been on Ebay, they refuse to lower the price. I will look for a more "correct" slant nose conversion :)

Here is a little color on that car. That car was run on eBay endlessly for about 6 months about a year ago. The seller was down in Florida, they basically ran it over and over and over for a buy it now of 20 grand, and finally I believe sent it to auction. Danny Schmitt bought it and he has now run it over and over and over for about 6 more months. I would guess he bought it in the 16 to 18 range and he's been stuck with it.

Everyone is right, its a narrow body slant, something Porsche never offered and there is NO way there is an NADA value on it, so you can toss their "NADA value less discount" BS right out the window.

IMO its a mid teens car and you'd better like it a lot since its obviously pretty hard to sell it.

I am personally fed up with all the people that post on this board that berate the slant nose. It is the high water mark for Porsche in my opinion, and did give birth to some of Porsche's finest Race cars. If you have never driven one or just don't like them thats up to you. You probably don't have the funds to step up to something really unique anyway. Where I'm located they are probably only five in the entire state!!

Keith Epperly
87 slant nose turbo look carrera cabriolet

Keith...don't think anybody on this thread was slamming slant noses. OP really is fond of SN. It's just this overpriced bastardization that we were critiqueing.

Why would someone's personal opinion on whether or not they like the slant nose look have any association on whether they can afford one? Do you think it’s very expensive to find a slant conversion around? Or that somehow makes you wealthier in some way if you own a real or conversion?

Being 45 years old and somewhat a child of the 1980's I loved the look back in the 1980’s. IMO the look didn’t age well. My opinion about the look of a slant nose has no bearing on my net worth. Grow up.

This thread was about that particular red narrow body slant nose, and NO Porsche never made a model like that for regular sale and as several people have noted it’s not particularly desirable as a Hodge Podge of different looks and parts and years. That in conjunction with the fact this car has basically been unsellable by two different sellers for something like 18 months really kills its value.

Hell I think it looks pretty cool being a narrow body slant, maybe do some ruf ctr wheels and give it the right stance, it'd look menacing. I wouldn't pay more then the high teens for it. theres a nice 79 930 for sale in the classifieds for 22k.

I personally like the slant nose look. And in the 80's this was the apogee of Porsche development. [and gold BBS wheels!] Pretty sure the race cars came first (think John Paul, Kremer) - then the slant nose aftermarket conversions - then the factory figured out they were missing out on some money and started doing them.

BUT the car in question is a little bit of a hack - it's an SC - it's a narrow body. Not much love out there - but I'd love to have one.

Well you guys are clearly wealthier than me since you like em!!!!

I agree on the cobbled together. Note the chrome side glass.

Actually there are 15 - the other ten are just too embarrassed to be seen out in public...





















Just kidding - just kidding :D

That's a pretty bold statement on a Porsche forum.

Whether you like the look or not, this one will be hard to sell if you ever decide to. Non-original cars do not sell to enthusiasts and that's who's on this board. I suspect the people who want "Porsche" but don't care if it's air/oil cooled are migrating to the gazillion Boxsters now available in the mid-teens. It's the kind of car I'd consider for $10-12K at most as a driver. Add up the comments--3.2, chrome side windows, Carrera lid, changed speedo with unknown mileage and no idea who did what to get it this way. Just not a good deal in this market even at half the price.
Flame away, but my $.02

slant nose looks really weird on a narrow body car.

Before option M505/M506, all factory slants were Special Wishes, surely?

Peter Morgan says the first 'Sonderwunschen' flachbau was delivered from Werk 1 Zuffenhausen as early as June 1980 (somewhat earlier than he wrote in "Original 911" because he didn't know about that car then and no factory build records exist for it).

Werk 1 converted SC's and Carreras as well - both factory fresh and customer cars.

Peter says to see also Juergen Barth, in his "Porsche Specials" book from 1984 for corroboration.

There were also dealer-converted cars, using factory parts. Both before and after sale.

Not saying that particular slant is factory.

Something funny looking with the VIN I guess it needs to be like the car, a narrowbody slantnose doesn't look quite right.

i would pass on that slantnose, with some searching and patience you should be able to find something nice, the slantnose is not for everyone, you either love them or hate them. i found a all metal conversion after about a year of searching and love it. best place to look to buy is on the porsche forums. i would stay away from ebay unless you can look at the car in person before buying.
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I am sorry to have offended some that took the funds comment wrong. The fact remains that the slant nose is one of the rarest Porsche's ever produced in the three years they were officially available. I have had mine for over 10 years and it is still a great car. No I'm old enough that I don't try to out drag anyone but let the z06 owners try to chase me down a cloverleaf off ramp.
Keith Epperly
1987 slant nose turbo look carrera cabriolet

You're right about factory slant noses, keith. They are rare and can be very cool. But:

This is not a factory slant nose. It's also possible the PO converted to slant after an accident, which is common for 'body upgrades.'

It doesn't have the widebody or the other styling cues of a factory slant.

It has a nicer engine, yes, but not era-correct.

No way is that car worth $22K. Even if you absolutely love it, it's a mid-teens car.

Take you comment wrong? How should one take a comment like

"You probably don't have the funds to step up to something really unique anyway."

???

I am no fan of the Z06 but unless you have a ton of non factory hot rod parts in your turbo look slant car the Z06 will easily leave you in the dust on any cloverleaf or anywhere else for that matter. Let’s face it if your car is stock you're running less than 220 bhp at the crank on a suspension which although excellent for its time is fairly antiquated compared to any modern suspension.

Again I really have no love for the Z06 and although I have driven several its not a car I would buy. It does have over 500 bhp at the crank which is more than double a 1980’s Carrera output and it does have a pretty slick suspension setup, heck the Z06 would blow buy your turbo look slant in any situation.

I can appreciate you car since I am a Porsche lover, especially the air cooled, having owned nearly 2 dozen over the years. Lets face some reality, having or liking a turbo look slant nose car has no affect on ones wealth. Additionally as much as we may all love our own variation of air cooled 911 few of them will run with a modern 500 bhp Z06, and certainly not a stock version air cooled non turbo.

I don’t take much personally from anonymous people on web boards, but I have generally over the years here found most people here good natured folks who share a passion for the same cars I love.. So I take no personal offense from your nonsense but I do suggest you get a better handle on some facts.

That's a good looking slantnose. I think I read an earlier post of yours where you were considering trading that for a Mustang. I'm glad you changed your mind!

Goody for you, you must be loaded. I've got enough funds to own a couple of nice Porsches. A slant nose sure wouldn't be one of them. I don't care what their racing association is. They are ugly as (*&^. Sorry couldn't resist. Plenty of opinionated people here. Most hate something. Who cares, it's not their car and unless you own it to impress others it shouldn't matter.

Anyone think I could get $30K for this one? I really think slantnoses are cool just wish it had like 300 HP to match the look. Car has 80k miles, engine recently removed to replace numerous gaskets (while we were in there) , new rotors, and rebuilt calipers. Everything works on this one except the windshield washer bottle is missing.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1257320540.jpg

Uhhh, there was only one way to take that comment,,,

Todd :confused:

Why is the Slantnose not a popular car? I suppose 25 years from now people will be saying that Hummers are great cars, I can’t understand why everyone dislikes them? They forget what happened in the past.

You see rich people don’t fix cars – they get rid of them after a couple of years and buy the latest and greatest. During the 80’s there was a glut of luxury cars on the market, and they were really cheap. Every drug pusher and pimp bought these things and installed every bit of bling they could get their hands on. It even spawned an industry of aftermarket junk. These were the Miami Vice years where bad taste was cool. Unfortunately for the Slantnose, it came out during this time, and represents the idea that even though you have become suddenly rich, you still don’t have a sense of style or good taste.

I’m sure they’re great cars, I just can’t look at one and not think of Crocket, Tubs, and Huggey Bear.

It’s all a matter of your personal taste. I’m sure plenty of people look at me in my plain vanilla old and slow car and wonder what I could possibly be thinking? Surely I can afford a decent Japanese car with power and automatic everything, all the latest electronic gizmos and safety devices, 8 cup holders, and video screens.

To each, his own. If you like the slantnose, enjoy it. I’m sure they’re great cars. Just understand that there is a large population of buyers out there that would never want one.

I think this is true of most of the buyers today, but not the next generation of buyers. I have a slant cabrio, and I can tell you that in a parking lot with a sea of Porches, mine is the one all the young kids come over to look at. And when that baby fires up, they almost fall over :D:D:D:D

I think the slants are a very good investment for the future.

I think you'll be very very disappointed if you think any of these cars are "good investments". The kids may think its cool at a young age but my opinion is they will be looking at the 997's when they grow up.

As the owner of an '87 M505 car, I don't understand how history flipped a bit in considering these cars. They were built in the late 70's and early '80's as a tribute to one of the most successful racing Porsche's of the decade ('70's) the Porsche 935. Back then there were numerous companies making their name on converting cars to the slantnose look. 935's are still very popular. Yet despite all this they have been tagged to Miami Vice....I really don't get it but one of my goals is to correct this misconception.....

Kids won't want 997's because the maintenance costs for all the electronic failures will make them cost prohibitive....

Running rich, eh?;)

Sorry, and please don't take this personally, but I don't think you can get $30K for that car, especially in today's market. A couple of things just pop out just viewing one picture;
Front valence has no grill or oil cooler,
Rear brake vents were not done properly (outside edge of vent must follow curvature of lip of the wheelwell).

The thing with any conversion is everything has to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb. So many things that may be hiding beneath the surface.

We were talking about what kids want not what they're going to buy and again they're growing up in an age of 997's and like us they will be the cars of their youth, not a car from 15 years before they were born. I have two cousins who are 10 and 12 and both are car junkies. They love my cars but they really dont car all that much about them when a 997 is in the picture. Even when I had my RSA they liked the car, didnt know what was so special about it. When I take a 997 over to their place its a huge hit, and when I drive one of my cars over its just a cool old car.

Not much you can do about the look of the slant and how it will always be associated with Miami Vice for a group of people who grew up then.

Another Urban Legend. The story behind the slantnose Porsche evolved from a Arab sheik wanting to own a "streetable" 935. It's certainly acceptable people don't like the Porsche Slantnose, but people really get standoffish on both sides when someone states they like/dislike the cars. The only opinion that matters is the owner's. When someone talks to me about how "Miami Vice-like" the car is, I just walk away and snicker......."whatever". To each, their own. My $0.02.

P.S. what about the Ferrari Daytona? I really don't see any negative impact of the value of that car(even though it was a kit) just because it was on Miami Vice. I wish the Slant could command that kind of price they are bringing today.

Enthusiasts develop their appreciation for cars over time. You can't judge what will be collectible in the future based on a 12 year old's opinion today. If you could 356 prices would be declining as few people 50 or younger would care. It takes time to appreciate the bigger picture and that is where the slants will shine some day. People who care about the history of the marque more so than the history of TV will figure it out. It doesn't take too many anyway because there aren't many real ones around.....

Good point that the show didnt impact the price of a Daytona poorly, but it did push a lot of people into cutting the roof off their Daytona coupes. Being a Ferrari and a pretty rare one it will always command more than a slant.

You opinion as has mine has been noted on this board about this topic. I seriously doubt they'll ever rocket significantly over a non slant model.