911sc longterm values.. Discuss

[AUS911SC3]

Hi All,

Im after some opions regarding the longterm values of square/impact bumper models. Increase, Stagnate, decline ????

[Oh Haha]

Welcome to Pelican, Joe. It is customary for new folks to post pics of their car. We likey pics.!!!


There have been threads posted on the very question you ask. I did a quick search using the words "SC", "value", and "longterm" and found several but these were what I think will help you the most.


This one from the tech forum has some very good, up to date numbers.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/282314-what-did-you-pay-your-911sc.html

Here's another:

Collectability of 911SC


Did you buy your 911 to collect or drive? I hope it was to enjoy the driving experience.

[Gunter]

What longterm?

The only constant is change.

With Climate-change, who knows?

[NineOhOne]

There is no "long term" anymore when it comes to collector cars. We (owner's) will be regulated off the street by way of new "global warming" restrictions, financially via gasoline prices/availability or simply by becoming "dinosaurs" (kids today will not find our "clunkers" that interesting/collectible when they hit our age). Remember when Model T's & A's were all the rage and priced ridiculously? And mid 50's T-Birds? Can't give them away today.

So, if you're talking 5 ~ 10 yrs., they may appreciate. 10 ~ 20 yrs? I'd sell short.

[NineOhOne]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

There have been threads posted on the very question you ask. I did a quick search using the words "SC", "value", and "longterm" and found several but these were what I think will help you the most.

Let's not forget this beaut (posted in "Marketplace Discussion" where it belongs):

Folks do realize that car prices have plummeted, right?

[BRLuecke]

I figure mine is cheaper than a fancy coffin, so I guess I get buried in it.

[dw1]

Originally Posted by NineOhOne

There is no "long term" anymore when it comes to collector cars. We (owner's) will be regulated off the street by way of new "global warming" restrictions, financially via gasoline prices/availability or simply by becoming "dinosaurs" (kids today will not find our "clunkers" that interesting/collectible when they hit our age). Remember when Model T's & A's were all the rage and priced ridiculously? And mid 50's T-Birds? Can't give them away today.

So, if you're talking 5 ~ 10 yrs., they may appreciate. 10 ~ 20 yrs? I'd sell short.

It may be possible that one's political views on potential "global warming" restrictions are coloring one's outlook....

I honestly don't recall a time when "typical" Model A's were priced ridiculously. They are far too common to be priced too high, except for the Town Car (<1200 built) or other rare models. 50's T-birds went through what 60's muscle cars are going through right now - overpriced due to oldsters wanting the car they lusted after in high school.

And of course, the economy is causing all prices to be lower than they otherwise would be.

All cars, if they get old enough, are worth something just because with age come comparative rarity, but there are just far too many SC's (and 3.2's) out there for them to ever become "collector cars" in the foreseeable future. Based on my reading and tracking of prices over the years, I have to say that our cars will hold/slightly rise in value as time goes on, with periodic variations for economic conditions, etc. Of course, the condition & mileage of the individual car means a lot.

As far as kids being interested in air-cooled 911's.... Well, a twenty-something in my neighborhood bought a ratty SC (carb'd, with turbo tail) last year.

[And yes, I agree that this thread should be moved to "Marketplace Discussion"]

[Paul Crowther]

As long as you still get off driving it, who cares?

Paul

[DanielDudley]

I'd be looking at a low mile 97-89 first, or a 964 RS America, 89 Speedster, or Club Sport before that. It is always the rare and the excellent that will get top dollar, but you also have to consider how much an SC can be worth when there are other variants selling for not much more money.

If I wanted an invesment grade SC, I'd be looking for super low miles, and I would only drive it enough to keep it running well, say 1-3K a year.

[Por_sha911]

As a rule, when it comes to collector cars, factory original equipment is always worth more than aftermarket or modified. Having said that, you have to ask yourself if you want to protect the value of the car by not driving it or did you buy it to drive and enjoy. If the car is not low mileage and all original then it will be a long long time before it becomes a collectible.
Panorama magazine Nov 2006 had an article: "Is my Porsche Collectible?"

[mickey356]

I've got an 83SC. I haven't done anything to it that can't be reversed (at this point). That said I don't plan on letting its "future value" hold me back from doing anything to it. I have plans to do alot of stuff and when I'm done with it and want to move on, it'll probably end up as someones track car, maybe mine.
I go through the same thing with my wife when it comes to doing stuff to the house. I hate it when she says "we have to consider if we'll get our return on the money". I'm 45 yrs old. I'm not having anymore than the 2 kids I have. When she says that I tell her I'm staying in this house with you or without you.
My point is; life is too short to worry about what the resale value is of cars and houses. You don't have any control over the economy and how it flucuates. If you're looking for a collector car you should look at something other than an SC which Porsche made a gazillion of.

[AUS911SC3]

Thanks guys....insightful words MIckey...cheers

[mca]

I am counting in global cooling fears in the next 10-20 years. The value of my SC will skyrocket as it will be necessary to pump COx into the atmosphere to keep us all from freezing to death.

[NineOhOne]

Originally Posted by dw1

It may be possible that one's political views on potential "global warming" restrictions are coloring one's outlook....

Nope, not here. I'm certainly not a tree-hugger nor "one of them" when it comes to global warming. I too agree it's all BS.

However, the writing is on the wall. Pollution/emissions/CO restrictions (pick one/pick all) will kill our hobby within the next 10 ~ 20 yrs.

It is spoken.

[NineOhOne]

Originally Posted by dw1

I honestly don't recall a time when "typical" Model A's were priced ridiculously. They are far too common to be priced too high, except for the Town Car (<1200 built) or other rare models. 50's T-birds went through what 60's muscle cars are going through right now - overpriced due to oldsters wanting the car they lusted after in high school.

Of course you don't remember when Model A's and T's were through the ceiling. You haven't been in the collector car market long enough.

And your statement about 50 T-birds and 60 muscle cars is exactly my point. There won't be anyone interested in our 911's in the next 20 ~ 40 years.

[NineOhOne]

Originally Posted by dw1

As far as kids being interested in air-cooled 911's.... Well, a twenty-something in my neighborhood bought a ratty SC (carb'd, with turbo tail) last year.

Did he buy it for collector reasons? Of course not. You describe it as "ratty", hence he bought it cheap. Did you poll him on why he purchased? This statement proves absolutly zero about "youngsters" desiring our cars...they don't and they won't in the future.

[BLEW911]

According to my Porsche Red Book, there were around 66,000 SCs sold world wide including turbos. About the same number of '65 GTOs sold for whatever its worth. Not many 65 goats left.
I wonder how many SCs are left after thirty years of being wrecked or now days parted out. Probably not a gazillion. There are more than a few on this board responsible for killing SCs.

[scotyp]

To follow up with what Don was writing about...

I own an 82' SC and also a 1966 Austin Healey 3000 MK 3 and have followed the market for Healeys for about 10 years. I think there is a definite relationship to the number of cars built to the price for most makes. They built just over 17,000 Mk 3's from 1964-1967 and the price has doubled on these cars in the last 10 years.

It has always amazed me that they made SO MANY muscle cars and the price is astronomical on some of them! Why? Just watch the Barrett- Jackson auctions!
Of course the bubble has somewhat burst on them in the last couple years but maybe there's still hope for our wonderful SC's to sky rocket in value yet!

Scot

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by NineOhOne

... There won't be anyone interested in our 911's in the next 20 ~ 40 years.

The 356 has a fanatical following. Why wouldn't the air cooled 911?
Yes there are a lot of them but in 20 ~ 20 years times I bet that won't be the case.
Lots of SCs and ratty 3.2s are being parted right now because it's more economical do do this than sell them as a whole.

The Porsche market has changed so much over the years that it will always be difficult to predict what will happen.

One thing I can say with some certainty is that younger people are turning away from rice burners and looking for something classic.
This is happening locally... I have found that Japanese cars are good but they have a use by date.
Usually about 20 years before it becomes silly to keep throwing money at them.

My "ordinary" SC (She's turns 32 this year) isn't perfect but the body is rust free and I can fix anything mechanical myself.

That will always be worth something to someone...

[NineOhOne]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

The 356 has a fanatical following.

Peaked. Interest/price will decline as the guys who covet(ed) them age.

Next in line will be our SC's, but gas prices/availability and world-wide emissions regulations will preclude a rise in value like the 356 enjoyed.