Considering converting 930 to Normally aspirated street killer

[84 911 WideBody]

How about I'll swap ya my 3.2 and 915 for your turbo motor and trans!

[MikeD930]

Originally Posted by NY65912

Swap cars with me.

PM me about the beast, it's just what you're looking for.

The car has been transformed into a steel widebody. It has turbo brakes and is set up for very fast DE days.

My New Track Engine Debut

If interested, I'll send a full build sheet and specs. This is a 40k engine. The car is currently having the finish bodywork done and getting ready for paint. This car is fast......period.

It looks like no more track for me due to health issues. So now I'm looking to trade for a street car.

Mike,
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sscates,
I'm among the camp suggesting not to kill the turbo unless it's blown or in poor shape. The ROW turbo should be as valuable as the US 930. It has a few things a US models don't have.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by Goth

I have no connection to this person, but check this one out in the Pelican cars for sale section: FOR SALE - 3.6 Varioram Conversion 911 SC (current asking price is $24,900 USD)

You could sell yours and buy this hot rod for a lot less. No wide fenders, but you may not care when your passing everybody.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have driven that car. It is the real deal for power-to-weight ratio....

[sscates]

Lot's of opinions. I appreciate the input. Here's a couple thoughts and pics. One thing that was pretty big for the 930 starting point is the Historic Plates. I was able to do this by pointing out to the lady at dmv and the people in Sacramento that the law states that any vehicle older than 25 years old, with historical significance or a horseless carriage, if you can believe that. They didn't want to do it, but they did after I pointed out the statutes of the vehicle code. I got the idea from "flyn930", who lives close here in Poway, CA.

The idea of the trade for something like I'm thinking would be great. That would keep the 930 in existence for someone else and I get the car that I want or close to it. Plus or minus some $$$$. If you guys are familiar with The FJ Blue RSR Replica that was featured in Excellence last year. I believe it is Mark Kinninger's car. That's similar to what I'm thinking about. I think that was a 3.6, not pushing the 400hp area though. Definitely a nice car. It was for sale here for awhile, but it's off the market now. It was last advertised for 45k, which I thought was pretty good. Shoulda bought it. I have contacted Mike that posted above about a trade for his car. One problem will be the smog stuff in CA. That's where my 930 shines. I could make it a fire breathing jet engine and still have registration for life with no hassles. So, an out of state car is a problem. It has to be street legal, period.

I know these turbos (930s) can be made to be quick with the mods. Bigger intercoolers, boost springs, lighter turbos, 5 speeds, etc, but I really desire a normally aspirated car. I used to have a 200hp vw in a sand rail (800# car). I love the response, sound and idea of a na car now. So, if I were to keep the 930, I would definitely go na anyway and get rid of the turbo motor or store it for something later.

Does anyone know approx pricing on a new gt3 motor? 30k 40k???? That would make a unique car wouldn't it? There is a local POC guy, hi John, that has a gt3 motor in his GT2 POC car. It sounds like a great idea to me. Reliability, power and all.

Keep the thoughts coming. Here's the pics. I will get some of the interior. It's the same quality as the exterior.

[aigel]

Like I said, start with a 75 or earlier chassis and you are good on smog too, even here in CA.

George

[GaryR]

You can be hung in some states for molesting a car like that!

Seriously, buy a smog exempt car, widebody and brake it, toss in whatever you want! There was a fresh GT3 motor FS over on Rennlist, a friend of mine actually, for a negotiable $20K..

[David]

That is a nice car. Kind of hard to justify the mods on it.

My '79 has some history that made bringing it back to original not really an option. So I haven't worried about making un-reversible changes.

[911st]

The Porsche that made TRG ran a 4 speed trans w close ratio gears to handle the power.

A 993RS or RSR motor could be fun.

However, HP would be fun but is not the last word in what makes a car fast.

One of our DE guys runs a 2.8 MFI motor making 245 hp and if he is not TTD he is not far off.

Close ratio gears, pistons, rods, cams, ports & PMO's making your motor a 3.4 would be a weapon and easy to do.

Enjoy.

[ttweed]

Originally Posted by sscates

If you guys are familiar with The FJ Blue RSR Replica that was featured in Excellence last year. I believe it is Mark Kinninger's car. That's similar to what I'm thinking about. I think that was a 3.6, not pushing the 400hp area though. Definitely a nice car. It was for sale here for awhile, but it's off the market now. It was last advertised for 45k, which I thought was pretty good. Shoulda bought it.

Sell the 930 and buy the Smurf car. You really don't need any more HP than a Kinninger breathed-on 3.6 except for bragging rights, unless you are trying to go 200+ mph--look at the times Erik has turned in that car. It blows GT2s and GT3s away under any typical street/track conditions. Talk to Mark again when you cash in the 930--everything of his is always for sale....he'll just build another one....

TT

[sscates]

I would buy the Smurf car, but it's not available anymore. Sent an email to Mark about building one for me, but haven't heard back yet.

Steve

[DW SD]

Steve,
Did you see the champagne brown one Mark built for sale? That is pretty fast, too. The owners are SD PCA members. Erik drove it to TTOD a few months back.
I'll be there this Saturday at the AX.

you may remember me, we met on a new year's run some years back.

Doug

[sscates]

Doug,

That must've been the Hester New Year's run a couple years ago. I remember. I have seen the other Kinninger car for sale. For some reason, it just isn't spartan enough, if you know what I mean. I'm sure it's fast and such, but the interior, color, etc would have to be redone, so I haven't seriously considered it based on the asking price being pretty high.

Your car looks real nice, I read the webpage on it. Awesome.

I have quite a few offers in my pm box that I am considering. The New York IROC replica would be no brainer if it weren't for the smog. Although, I might be able to get it smogged through the same rules that mine got through under.

Still considering all options at this point.

Thanks, Steve

[myamoto1]

to help ease your conscience, I'll trade you for my M491, so you don't have to chop up a nice turbo



plus, I already have an RS rear parcel carpet in there

[Reaper930]

Rip out the motor and sell it then build a 3.8tt and trust me, you will destroy anything that comes in your path with instant boost, no lag and more power than god himself.

Ask me how I know...

[sscates]

Just an update, looks like there is enough interest in trades for some very nice completed or semi completed project cars.

[10zz964]

just my 2c. i have a 964 3.3 turbo. i did an EFI conversion and now it drive more like a very strong NA engine (dyno at around 430 hp) you can still feel turbo but it's smooth and no lag. It's transform the car. i would talk to some turbo specialist first see your option.

Turbo Kraft home page

have fun motoring
BTW i think i just saw a cover of classic car and it have 930 on the cover. original 930 are harder to come by you might be kick yourself in a few years down the road

[sscates]

Well, here's the latest. I've had a few offers that haven't panned out for lightened scs with widebody kits and 3.6 conversion. A couple of nice cars. I was working on a trade for a 3.8 car that would've been great. Here's what I have decided to do.

Since destroying a 930 doesn't sound too appealing to anyone, including me, I will pursue the trade and have went ahead and listed the car here on Pelican for sale. I will be patient and wait for a good trade or the right selling price. I don't think there is much of a market for these right now or any car for that matter.

A couple things that are swaying me towards converting my 930 if it doesn't sell.

1. Historic Plates, these seem to be so rare, I had no idea. Every trade that I have been working on would have to be registered at our residence in AZ. Not too convinient. Envision track car, street legal (this is special in CA, I know it's not in the rest of the country).

2. The wide body is already there, brakes are already there.

3. I can sell the motor and trans out of this car for max $$$ as buyer can demo in the car. Who knows what max $$$$ is right now.

4. Can sell many turbo only parts, wider fuchs, sport seats, etc.

The plan would be to go all out and purchase a GT3 motor. Trans would have to be purchased too. I know it's a lot of $$$$, but it would be a unique car. I'm really looking for a 2200#, 350-400 hp, reliable, ca street legal car that I can take to the track or autocross if I want. I think I'm probably looking at about 60 -75k to do it from where it's at right now. People have said to just go buy a gt3, but it's just not what I have in mind. I do like the cars, but just not what I'm after.

So, trade me or buy the 930 or else!!!! Okay, let me know what you think.

[petevb]

Originally Posted by sscates

The plan would be to go all out and purchase a GT3 motor. Trans would have to be purchased too. I know it's a lot of $$$$, but it would be a unique car. I'm really looking for a 2200#, 350-400 hp, reliable, ca street legal car that I can take to the track or autocross if I want. I think I'm probably looking at about 60 -75k to do it from where it's at right now. People have said to just go buy a gt3, but it's just not what I have in mind. I do like the cars, but just not what I'm after.

So, trade me or buy the 930 or else!!!! Okay, let me know what you think.

After seeing the car I don't think I'd convert it, particularly to water cooled. You'd end up cutting holes in your nice paint and sheet metal- that a lot of value lost... With mods that extreme an early chassis that needs work (no smog issues) seems to make more sense, or trade for a car that's not as nice and start there?

A clean GT3 conversion, especially using the street motor with the ECU/ drive block issues, is not as straightforward as it might seem. Also consider that 2200 lbs water cooled will likely require lots of fiberglass/ carbon- again you're not keeping much of your original car...

$.02

[sscates]

No doubt that the conversion will completely mod the car. Yes, fiberglass and carbon would be a given. Interior would be very spartan and not resemble anything close to a factory car.

If the market can give me close to what I'm asking, then I'll get a cheap donor car and start from there, but if my 930 won't give me 30k, what's the point in selling it and starting with something different that won't be able to be smogged anyway, unless it's 75 or older and that may not be smog exempt for long.

Here's one I could probably get for 10k or less.

1983 911 SC widebody. New guards paint! MAKE OFFER

Here's the link to mine for sale:

1982 Porsche 930 - All Original 50k mileage

[javadog]

Originally Posted by sscates

but if my 930 won't give me 30k, what's the point in selling it [/url]

I haven't studied your car in detail but, if it is a nice one and well documented, $30K is not hard to achieve. The car is worth more than that, if properly marketed. I recently sold a 1980 model with similar mileage for more than that.

Don't let anyone convince you that a euro 930 is worth less than a US one, or that the car market in general, is dead. Neither is true.

JR