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Does anyone have any photos of late 930 teatray tails compared to M491 teatray tails? I've read they're different. Maybe even between AC and non-AC...
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I will post more detailed pics when I get a chance, it appears to be all FG and no sign of any numbers in the usual spots. One thing I have noticed is a green colour appearing under the white paint. Is this normal for FG or was this wing painted in this unusual green colour at some stage and maybe used on a "special" car in the past? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1424502583.jpg |
That looks like a reproduction tail since the Turbo AC tails didn't have the support brace that went across the opening since the original tails had fan ducting where the brace in your photo is.
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Does anyone have any intel on the fiberglass tail pictured below, please? I picked one up at the Anaheim swap-meet with the intention of bonding it to a steel decklid and would love to know the origins. It's a very sturdy piece and appears to fit a factory decklid very nicely. It has studs glassed into the base, so I guess it was intended to just be bolted to the decklid. I assume it's an aftermarket part? The profile of the tail and lip is a very nice replica of the factory Carrera/Weissach tail - obviously the rubber is now rendered in fiberglass. Thanks!
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I've been reading through this topic recently. I saw this ad on ebay and wonder if this is a realistic prize ? |
I recently acquired a tail from EASY in Emeryville, CA (that had been lying around for many years because it had been damaged by a rear hit) for my Carrera 3.0 RS clone project. It has a p/n 930 512 010 00 with no indent for the wiper motor, but it also has license plate cutouts that seem to be stamped, not cut by hand. Could this tail have been made using left over '73 frames with license plate cutouts...in MY74?
Does anyone have period documentation showing the p/n for the 3.0 RS tails? Later documents show the 3.0 RS tail having a 911 rather than 930 p/n, but many parts on the 3.0 RS used the 930 numbers. There are period pics showing both non-small-grill tails like the C3.0 and 75 2.7 Carrera used (which have a 911 p/n), as well as many with the small grill which would have had a 930 p/n. Many more of the restored 3.0 RSs have the small grill. Does anybody know when the first use of the 930 512 010 00 p/n began? The early turbo prototype appeared at the Paris show in Oct. 74, so most likely a 930 p/n tail would have been used by then. If this tail had been used on a pre 74 long hood 911 the license plate light cutouts could have been done by a very skilled body man, and the lights could have been removed later as there were no license lights on the tail as acquired. It has some rust issues and the damage from the hit, but it appears to be repairable. I may cover the cut-outs with small plates, but will not try to cover them with bondo. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429800555.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429800578.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429800609.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429801548.jpg |
How about another shot of the front of the center mounting bar?
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Anyone have a decent rubber lip for this style tail? I think I prefer this li as opposed to the later style on my 930. Hmm, wont be correct but who cares!
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The tail is at the body shop now so can't take more pics for now...will post later showing better how the latch bar is glassed into the tail. Here is one Jim at EASY took, but still not enough detail on the latch bar attachment. It does show the damage from the hit...which I was able to remove somewhat before taking to the body shop.
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It just occurred to me that a pre 74 frame would have had a 911 number stamped on it somewhere. Anyone know where the pre 74 lids had a number stamped...and what the number was?
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I just went to the 930 Turbo 3.0 website and found this bit of history note:
930 Turbo Carrera 3.0-liter: Registry Chassis # Last Known Location Color Notes 1974 911 330 0157 USA Silver Prototype Turbo with RSR flares, built on a 1973 911S, with a non-working mocked up engine at the 1973 IAA Frankfurt motor show and 1973 Paris Motor Show I thought the prototype was first shown in 74...so this keeps the possibility open that the frame on my lid was left over from the pre 74 MY. But maybe I am just being a little overboard with the possible scenarios.:rolleyes: |
Here are some pics of the 930 prototype that was shown in fall 73 at Frankfort and Paris shows, plus some of the car at an unknown location. The latter pic clearly shows the car without the small grill, but the Paris show pic seems to show it with the small grill, but not sure. The restored car clearly has the small grill tail on it.
This car, although built on a 73S chassis was essentially the same body work as the IROC (also 3.0 RS) cars that began racing in fall of 73, except the IROC cars shipped with ducktails but raced with all wide FG tails. The prototype 930 and 74 3.0 RS would have been the first cars with this type of tail with a rubber lip, although the 74 MY Euro Carreras also used these at some point I think. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429809494.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429809544.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429809589.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429809715.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429809750.jpg |
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I have a whale tail with part number 911.512.010.07 + triangle + K. It is a metal frame with rear wiper indentation. The part number is located on the centre frame where the lock is attached. It is SINGLE grille ! I'm prepared to sell it. It is in good condiition, some surface rust, nothing serious. Located in Belgium / Europe. |
If anyone has any thoughts on this I'd appreciate hearing from you.
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Also shown is a ducktail from a factory US 74 Carrera that has license cutouts plugged with small plates attached with screws. This tail was made near the end of the MY run of US Carreras (0524), which would indicate that the factory was using up old stock of steel frames from the pre 74 long hoods well into the 74 MY. So it is possible that my red whale tail cutouts were done by the factory from 'left over long hood frames'. I will make plates to fit under the cutouts like the factory did. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429909136.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429909199.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429909283.jpg |
I would run the one without a/c as there was no a/c condenser up near the second grill unless it's the larger second grill. I don't think there is a problem running without the protection shield but you may as well buy one as they are only about $200
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How can you tell it was made near the end of the US Carrera run? US Carrerra's never had the large or small second grills as far as I know.
The fiberglass work certainly looks factory. Is the second grill the same size as the factory unit? The cutout doesn't appear to have the correct hole layout to mount the second grill. Is the support for the center bracket spot welded? |
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The 74 Carrera has a DUCKTAIL not a whale tail...my point was that since the factory was using pre 74 steel frames with cutouts for the ducktails, they could have used them for my whale tail. The pic is from US Carrera 911 440 0524, which is the 5th from the last US Carrera coupe built...later in the model year. The pic of the latch support is of my RED whale tail shown in the other pic...it's just a lousy color reproduction...not sure why. |
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On that picture of your latch support, it's a pretty good shot of the second grill backside but I'm not seeing all the holes for the grill. The fiberglass work looks factory. Can you see if the unusual support bracket is spot welded? |
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The 930 part has the large cutout for the a/c condenser ducting so you won't be gaining much.
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Here is a pic of the small grill opening. it had clips on the corners for screws, plus the center had holes as seen...one with what looks like what's left of a rivit. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1430176375.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1430176407.jpg |
I'll see if I can get a good shot of that area.
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Does anyone make a good reproduction version of this tail?
What about the rubber part? Thanks, |
There are reproductions of the tail, but the rubber lip has been NLA for a long time now - good luck finding a nice example. Whoever tools up to reproduce the rubber lip will probably do well, given the popularity of this tail. The approach I have taken is to use a one-piece tail where the lip is rendered in fiberglass and integrated into the main body - it can always be painted with a satin paint to mimic the original rubber, which is what I will try to do. I like the fact that I can repair fiberglass and repaint in the future, whereas the rubber lips tend to warp/sag and the metal spine inside them is prone to corrosion. I've also seen very few examples where the rubber seamlessly meets the fiberglass base.
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This is the one I want but I don't think it got beyond the prototype stage. (NOTE: The hooks and clamp. This is easily removable) Has anyone seen one of these in real life? |
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Betterbodies, down here in San Diego has a mold for the 2nd-grille-less tail, as used on the early Carrera. They don't advertise it on their website but I've seen it in their store and they said they could make one for $500. I have no idea what the quality/fitment is like.
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Hmm, I don't seem to recall much good feedback on Betterbodies stuff. But might have to chance it.
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Thanks Ferrino.
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Repro tail
Mine looks like repro from gt racing but i may be wrong. I just had the tail lip painted black so it would look like rubber:D
Oops looking at the pictures above mine did not come with 2nd grilles so definitely not gt racing. mine looks like weissach repros no markings since last time i checked |
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I have an original metal framed spoiler for sale, part number 911.512.010.07 In nice condition. Rubber lip restored with plasti dip rubber paint. Also have a fibreglass aftermarket spoiler with small second grille. Later style rubber lip in very nice condition. If interested, please inform for shipping costs (I am in Belgium - Europe) Thnx Kristof |
I thought i would add to this for archival purposes.... a few others to follow:
1976 930 Turbo Carrera with optional A/C (secondary vent is larger) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/EdIEsB.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/I5MGby.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...913/a4sPU4.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/23TZJQ.jpg |
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