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speedo 02-05-2014 10:06 PM

Good point...great timing too!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flojo (Post 7893519)
its maybe a bit late now, but want to ask anyway...
when I see this, I was wondering why you didnt clean up that area, getting rid of the bitumen, especially to the top right in the picture, whyle it was acessible, just to be sure, there is no mor rust under it?
all that fine work and leaving this so nasty?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1313358054.jpg

I could lie and say that hurt my feelings. But it didn't. In a full on resto, the way to correctly remove the undercoating at the top of the fender/ inner fender is to remove the quarter panel and go at it. Sandblaster won't touch the stuff. It is a very nasty job to heat and scrape. Or, during the full on resto, put the shell on a rotisserie and flip it upside down so you can scrape at it from above. In my case this was a conversion, where I repaired rust as I found it (and I did find it). Unless I am taking a shell down completely to bare metal...if the undercoating from the factory is not compromised and still has excellent adhesion (especially up top there in the upper quarter panel area)...I leave it alone. If the factory product is still solid...and I remove it, what I lay down will not be original, and may not be as good as what the factory originally sprayed. Usually if it has suffered moisture getting underneath it, the undercoating is checked and cracked. Mine was not...so I left it alone.
Shake your head :rolleyes:, Frown :(, deduct points :eek:, or better yet, have lunch with my painter :). The area seemed seemed ok so I left it alone...shame on me.

Speedo

haycait911 02-05-2014 10:24 PM

the factory underseal is amazing stuff, if intact. kinda one of those ' if it ain't broke, don't fix it ' deals. and let's be honest, after we do these cars, they'll never see anything like the conditions they've seen for the last forty years.

daepp 02-06-2014 12:33 PM

Simply stunning work!

Kidasters 02-11-2014 06:23 PM

I hope your last post was with tongue firmly in cheek.

When you are ready to part with this sexy beast (as you have said you may not be able to hold her for 5 years), I need to know. I want dibs. I love this car. I would gladly put off the Ferrari 328 I was thinking about to get this.

Please, please let me know.

speedo 02-12-2014 07:02 PM

So I got the benefit of some help last weekend
 
Help at this stage of the game is kind of like a "spot" when you are bench pressing some weight that is going to allow for less than five safe reps. You get to four...and you may be able to pull off one more...but it is pretty embarrassing to end up with the bar on your chest. Josh was my psychological "spot" for the electrical issues I was having. Not to go into great detail, but I had succeeded in giving myself (Sorg) running lights and brake lights. No turns, no flashers, no head lights. No big deal, just drive in a straight line during the day :D
I was frustrated as I have been poring over the wiring diagrams...convinced that I had a wire going to ground. When he arrived...we decided to remove the trunk blower to give better access to the back of the panel/instruments. PIA but it gave me good visual access to what I needed to get at. The problems I was facing in no particular order...1) blowing the #1 fuse in my front fuse box when I pulled on the light switch (which is for the clock, glove box light and then all the rest of the power for the instruments), 2) my flasher relay which was the first thing to respond when I hooked up the battery...no longer responds, 3) I have no headlights...4) the glovebox light that used to work, no longer works. I have removed the headlights to check the wiring and all was correct. I checked the chassis of the glovebox light and it seemed to be hooked up correctly.
So we started to check things slowly and make sure that they (per the wiring diagrams) were hooked up correctly. Nothing glaringly wrong.
We discovered a few (three wires) coming out of the six pin plug behind the blower mechanism that go to nothing, that we couldn't identify. Move on...to the glove box light, and small victory, checking and rechecking the spades and switch...works.
While checking the connections on the back of the ignition switch and light switch, (crammed into the drivers footwell on my back with limited movement)...which seemed ok, I noticed the three plugs that were plugged into the firewall that made me wonder if they were all plugged into the correct six pin bases. We decided that the first six pin with the shortest wires was probably ok. But the length of the wires on the second two would allow them to be swapped. Management huddle and we decided to swap the #2 and #3 six pin plugs. Hey, we had fire extinguishers on hand. Josh just believed me...but I really did.
Voila! Headlights. Whoohoo. How easy was that? How could they have been reversed? I don't want to know the answer to that as I might have been involved...or not. So with headlights ...we moved aft to the other problem I haven't mentioned. No starter. We jumpered the yellow trigger wire to the solenoid and got the starter to turn. Great news. So the problem then appears to be in my ignition switch. Checking it carefully it was obvious that the key would turn to allow it to rotate all the way... to key the starter. Josh waved goodbye and I decided to take the damn ignition out...again.
Problem was inside the ignition switch. I disassembled it again and the last twist of the key to allow it to push against the spring (and trigger the solenoid) was not happening. I have since sourced a new ignition and a new relay for the starter. It is a three day weekend...."Phoenix will rise from the ashes"!
More likely, with a little help from the weather, Sorg will come alive.
I have a lot of snow in my driveway that needs to melt. I am not a fan of "running a new engine in" stationary. I think driving the car...accelerating and decelerating is a better way to break in a new engine, and settle the rings. I live in the mountains...no better way than driving "up this hill and down".
We'll see how this weekend fares....warmer weather, but it is still winter in Colorado at 8100 ft.

merbesfield 02-12-2014 08:02 PM

You definitely have persistence I'll give you that. I think I would have pushed it off a cliff by now. Good luck w your three day weekend. We are being hit w another major snow, read ice, storm here and I am at home w three girls and cabin fever.

speedo 02-15-2014 05:20 PM

Three day weekend...
 
Sourced a new (used) ignition and a relay. Napa claimed they didn't have it, but when I brought the bad relay by, they had a dead on replacement. Gutted the ignition to rekey (again :() the ignition to my key. I'm getting good at rekeying ignitions. Took longer to get the damn thing reinstalled in the dash, than to rekey it. Ignitions get installed before the dash facia goes on. Removing and reinstalling the ignition with the facia on is...well, challenging. So with the ignition installed, and with the new relay in place...cross my fingers
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512021.jpg
I now have operational headlights. No flashers yet ... and I blew the #2 fuse, oh well I can figure this out...hope I didn't scorch my new flasher relay.
Big question remains...can my rekeyed ignition turn far enough to key the starter. Small prayer...drum roll...'nother longer prayer, turn the key and we have starter!!
Whoohoo! It sounded a bit enemic, but after all the testing of the lights with the new battery, it should be weak so I put it on the charger overnight. I still face this obstacle
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512346.jpg
And this one that has a sloppy 18 inch drift at the bend I have been driving through in my truck
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512428.jpg
No way I am going to get out of my driveway. I noticed a small oil drip coming from my sump plate so I re-torqued the bolts. New engine has never been warmed up. Fresh oil and cold case...I can expect a drip or two.
Need some afternoon satisfaction...some sense of accomplishment. Ah ha!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512625.jpg
Centercaps. I ordered some nice painted caps off the board. When they arrived, the description was fair...so I took them out to see how they would look installed. Unfortunately, they were not for fuchs. Ring type, but the ring was too small. Must be for a later year. Crap, they would have looked nice. Finally got the seller to agree to take them back. I looked at my box of misfit spares...slim pickins. These were the best I had.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512880.jpg
As my dog would say...ruff, ruff ruff
The worst offender
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392512950.jpg
I have had good luck just sandblasting them and polishing.
Sandblasted
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392513016.jpg
Polished
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392513047.jpg
Installed...small victory for today
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392513086.jpg
Tomorrow with a strong battery, I am contemplating adding a few gallons of fuel to the mix and seeing if I can get the engine to fire up. I need to double check the baseline settings for the zeniths, but I think I am ready. If I can get it to fire, I will immediately shut it down and wait for a clear driveway and dry roads to bed the rings. Or I could just run it the requisite 20 minutes in the garage, but what is the use? I want to drive the dang thing.

Speedo

speedo 02-17-2014 06:34 PM

It was a good day.
 
My driveway still looks like crap. I shoveled the peaks and valleys to try to gain a smooth egress, but it was warm and windy and the snow is melting. If I was to be able to get the car to the end of the driveway, it would be a muddy miracle. Discouraged, I went into prep mode. Get the shop cleaned up so the car can be at least moved to the door...and get the car ready so when the time comes, it will be... ready. The oil leak under the sump is still there, smaller at least. I will make sure I have a couple extra gaskets available for the first oil change after the first drive. New gaskets ought to fix that. With just the starter operating, I get a little bit of oil pressure. No light appears and disappears (which could be yet another wiring dilemma), or I actually have some oil pressure. I added a few gallons of fuel, checked for the sound of my pump and noticed that I have fuel in my engine compartment filter.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689251.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689289.jpg
Good sign. The bad sign was that while I was checking under the car for bad stuff...leaks, there was a gas leak that turned out to be nothing more than an "uncrushed" crush washer. After jacking the front of the car up, crushing the washer and lowering the car, with the pump "pumping", the leak was gone. Checked the dizzie and plug wires one last time.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689504.jpg
Sergeant "fire putter-outer" at the ready...yeah I am a bit nervous.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689635.jpg
Feels like we are ready. Long time coming.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689746.jpg
Here we go...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392689814.jpg
The plan is to get the car running, idling well enough to do the 20 minute drive to bed the rings. Also running well enough to get out of my driveway.
So I key the starter and we pop a bit. I put the battery on a charger while I crank.
Check the dizzie and #1 and I am not on the compression stroke. I sort the dizzie so that at TDC I am on compression on #1....more pops. Pull the air cleaners to make sure I am getting fuel in all the throats. The mixture adjustment and air bypass have all been preset. I re-adjust the dizzie with the crank to get close to where it ought to be...and it fires up!
Won't idle for crap, but it loves higher RPMs. Take about an hour to sort the Zeniths, bit different than Webers, but the key is to balance both sides and then sort each side one throat at a time. Using the synchrometer to go barrel by barrel. Re-set the idle and do it again. Got the timing pretty well dialed in. My idle jets are 45s and I am wondering if I should punch them out to 50s. Any Zenith experts out there? Seems as though they were running a bit lean at idle. Engine seems strong...sounds strong. Just to get it sorted at idle, I have 15 minutes on it. As soon as I can get it out of the driveway, it will get another 15-20 minutes on it, then an oil change. I am psyched. It was all meant to come down to this....funny, this was an engine at 3000 rpm taken with a cheap camera...looks like the fan is stopped.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392690628.jpg
On an aside...the exhaust blew a 5 gallon bucket of mice bedding for the entire time the carbs were getting dialed in. Amazing! this stuff must have been way up inside the SSIs. Their low-income housing just got moved
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392690787.jpg :D

merbesfield 02-17-2014 08:20 PM

Congrats http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/clap.gif

Matt Monson 02-17-2014 08:57 PM

Almost







There.

redridge 02-18-2014 10:09 AM

congrats.... epic thread!

Flojo 02-19-2014 01:56 AM

hooray - congrats!
beautyful!

speedo 02-19-2014 05:23 PM

She's a driver.
 
I called Hagerty today and asked to bump "Sorg" up to full coverage. They needed pictures. I asked if they would at least temporarily grant me full coverage while I broke in the engine...no. Ok, I guess the shop pics covered in dust were not adequate. So to get good (better) pics I would need to back her out of the garage and at least wash. Well we are starting ok...but the clutch was waaay out of adjustment. Jack her up, adjust, lower and test. Still out of adjustment...so repeat. Got the clutch and shifter fairly well dialed in, so we backed out of the garage. The weather was looking worse. I don't like washing cars when it is warm, much less when it is about to snow. Screw it, the temp has dropped to close to 30 degrees. That means the mud and slush in the driveway (from the 62 degrees peak temperature today) has probably started to freeze. I'm going driving...Sorg agreed.
We drove a few miles out to my typical photo-shoot point (at least on sunny warm days) and I snapped a couple (few), well actually several of the dirty car...
we are now on better terms. :D
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859065.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859106.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859125.jpg
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859211.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859228.jpg
Yeah...in the last pic it appears that I an going uphill at zero RPMs.
I can fix that :)

Doug&Julie 02-19-2014 05:40 PM

Gorgeous!

speedo 02-19-2014 05:56 PM

My chief photgrapher...
 
She heard the car and saw me heading out of the driveway with the top off, windows down and no coat or gloves. Thinking quickly she grabbed her Iphone so that she would have compelling evidence for either the Sheriff, or the insurance company.
A couple long distance shots to prove the car was actually in self propelled motion.
The fact that the pictures are both not centered and blurred would suggest that the car was travelling so quickly that it was difficult to capure the still "centered" image...at velocity. Go with that. At least the landscape isn't blurred.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859764.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392859802.jpg
We could have waited or zoomed here, but hey, it's an Iphone. Supposed to be primarily for "selfies".
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392860265.jpg
Pics are getting better
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392860362.jpg
Coming home...no, I'm not happy
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392860435.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392860805.jpg
Back through the ice rink
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392860861.jpg
Tucked back into the shop
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392861003.jpg
Then the snow started
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392861071.jpg
Whew...
Mark, I won...you owe me a beer! :D

speedo 02-19-2014 06:06 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention...it is time to explain
 
The car's name is Sorg...short for "Sorgenkind". Use Google translate...it will make sense. She was named differently until my painter got his hands on her. Maybe with a little quality time, I will rename her something more...feminine. Or at least something less critical.

Speedo

Kidasters 02-19-2014 06:25 PM

Beautiful. I'm toasting you with a glass of whiskey right now.

Matt Monson 02-19-2014 06:26 PM

You named it after your new favorite band?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6uKvy4qs61I&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6uK vy4qs61I

haycait911 02-19-2014 07:01 PM

GOTCHA!!!!:D



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1392865296.jpg



seems like an awful lot of work.............especially for a targa :rolleyes:







.

merbesfield 02-19-2014 07:26 PM

Damn, you did beat me. Beers on me. Congrats!

Edit, what size tires you running?


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