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speedo 08-03-2013 06:16 PM

Well deserved bling...
 
Time to close up the front fenders...lights, horn grills and turn signal housings/lenses.
First the wiring. I already installed the outer front harnesses to the inner fender walls. I have never figured out how to dis-assemble the headlight harness without cutting the wires...the plug is too big to get out of the hole at the bottom of the headlight bucket...no big deal, just clean everything back up and reconnect.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375578262.jpg
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New halogen bulbs with the bulb assembly "roughly fitted"...minor bling
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375578379.jpg
Scored some new sugar scoops. The indent plastic ages poorly, this looks nice.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375578467.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375578491.jpg
More bling...replated horn grills
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375578530.jpg
And minor voila! Everything assembled!
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Aaahh...success
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Ok...enough shiny bling. Furry bling (carpet set) next whoohoo!

mikeferg75 08-03-2013 06:31 PM

Sweet!!!

speedo 08-07-2013 05:56 PM

Shucks, can't wait to do this again...or what a PIA
 
My fault. I put the ignition key in a safe place...yeah where was that :confused:. I had the key I used to rekey the door handles, but the ignition key was a separate key and I checked all of the familiar places and I could not find it. On a separate thread I asked the board for suggestions. Answers I got ranged from...
1) get the vin number and call Porsche as they will cut you a key
2) buy a new or used replacement ignition switch with a key and use that
3) take the ignition out of the car and have a locksmith make a key
4) get the keycode off the ignition and have a locksmith make a key using the code
It gets better before it gets worse...at least for the entertainment factor :D
When the key was in the ignition, I could turn the steering wheel. Now that the key was removed (and safely stashed) the steering wheel is locked. Oh good I have a steering wheel lock on my ignition. See...told you. This got better before it got worse.
Ok, now it is worse. Removing the ignition switch without steering lock is easy. Removing the ignition with steering lock is a whole new ball game. Waynes book (thanks Wayne SmileWavy) addresses tis problem but the chapters that deal with this are thin and focus on later cars...I'm on my own here. So I check old threads to see what kinds of problems people have had with steering lock ignitions...and how they dealt with the issues. These helped a bit...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/348306-ignition-switch-inside-fix-start-lockout.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/597665-ignition-switch-fix-mechanical.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/313197-can-i-rekey-ignition-switch.html
But I still need to address my other options listed above before I have to dive into pulling the switch with steering lock. So answers to the above questions...
1) forget it. Porsche doesn't keep track of vins and keycodes that far back
2) new ignitions are $675 and used ignitions that are pulled from cars were pulled for a reason...hmmm:rolleyes:
3) I don't want to do this yet
4) the keycode was printed on a small piece of paper and glued to the steering lock shaft 42 years ago. Think it is still there under the dash after all this time? Do I even bother to look? Hell yeah!. So off to the shop, crawl under the car and pray that the sticker is still there...please. Who was I kidding. That small piece of paper was long gone.
Good news :Thank god the car is on wheel dollies so I can move it around the shop and don't need the steering rack to work.
Bad news :I am going to have to pull the ignition regardless, and this excites me very little.

speedo 08-07-2013 06:43 PM

Calling all masochists...
 
So I will try to summarize what is needed to remove and rekey a locking ignition switch for a 70-71 car. This might help idiots like me that lost a key, someone with a key broken off in the ignition, someone that has an issue with a rogue steering lock problem, or somebody that failed watch repair.
First step is to get it out of the dash. As my dash and knee pads are recently new...I am going to make it more difficult and intentionally not remove these. Three bolts hold the ignition in place...two behind the dash bezel that are shear bolts, and one pinch bolt that holts the locking mechanism into the steering column. The shear bolts heads torque off when the correct torque is reached when they are installed leaving a head that looks like a large rivet
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375925480.jpg
I will drill out one of the rivets that (is actually a rivet) holding the face plate to the dash, and use a dremel to give me "purchase" to use a flat head screwdriver
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With those removed,
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I loosen the pinch bolt through the wiring spaghetti
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Disconnect the electrical connections
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375925915.jpg
And wrestle the sucker out of the dash. It was not easy. My aluminum dash facia covered with new basket weave vinyl covered up the top right rivet on the face plate which meant the face plate didn't want to move enough to the left (west for me) to pull the ignition out...but I am determined and I won
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375926109.jpg
Besides, lying on my back underneath the dash gave me a chance to collect any of the stray media from the sandblasting...still up behind the dash...in my eyes and mouth.

speedo 08-07-2013 06:55 PM

Best part yet...
 
Working with the threads posted above and words of caution from Waynes excerpts in the 101 manual...paying careful to the phrases cautioning would be home mechanics that a mis-step may result in needing a replacement switch, I dove in. The pin that needs to be removed to separate the switch into the pieces necessary to attack the tumblers, is tiny. I was able to carefully work it to the surface like a bad splinter in your hand
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375926530.jpg
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This took a while, but I didn't need to drill holes in the housing, so I won't need to fill or repair those later...little pin. Remember these ignitions were not meant to be taken apart, they were essentially disposable.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375926627.jpg
Next with the pin out the chassis for the lock slides out and the tumblers can be removed
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So far I have not lost, damaged or ruined any part of the switch, so I called it quits to soak in the satisfaction of garage mechanic's luck.

speedo 08-07-2013 07:15 PM

Now I need to re-key and reassemble and re-install the switch
 
Running on juvenile confidence...I went after the tumbler. All the treads caution against removing the key with the tumbler separated from the housing unless you are very careful or have twentysix fingers. I was careful.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375927144.jpg
I won't go into the detail of the rekeying...but for simplification, there are five different pins that by swapping them around you will get close. Then you can file any pins that are "proud" very carefully. A lot of file and fit and file and fit. Be very careful keeping track of all of the pins and springs behind them. I am ready to try to reassemble this puppy
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There were some issues with reassembling the tumbler and the housing...but they will be difficult to describe in print. Pretty much trial assembly and disassembly and repeat several times till things work together well. PM me if you have specific questions. Again...these were not intended to be repaired, so we are somewhat "cheating the system" by doing so
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1375927528.jpg
Once reinstalled...I am over simplifying again, the steering lock works well, and the switch works great. The attempt was not so much to save $$ as it was to get an understanding as to how the system was installed, how the lock mechanism works, how to fix it in the event of a failure, and to give myself something to do while I try to remember where it was that I stashed that key :(

merbesfield 08-07-2013 08:19 PM

Lars, that looks like it was a complete suck ass job, but as usual you did a great job. Now, if Murphy does his usual little tricks, you will find the key tomorrow. I too have often worried about losing keys and in fact did lose one, but fortunately had a spare. I know I should take the time to get spares made. Hum, maybe next week.

preston_brown 08-08-2013 05:00 AM

Nice work! Loved little tedious jobs like this when I restored my 356...

speedo 08-11-2013 05:43 PM

I have a punch list...
 
Several in fact but the current list is what I have to do before I install the rear window. And most of that long list entails installing the interior stuff that needs to go in before the side rear panels and the rear shelf. And that basically means the carpet set. Which in and of itself has a chronological order...which is basically start up front and work backwards. Kick panels are at the top of that list. My side first..
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376267712.jpg
While I'm in there the tunnel and side seat rail mounts get final color and fresh hardware
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With both kick panels in place I can move to the longitudinals
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376267926.jpg
And done...both look good with the sill trim
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376267976.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376268025.jpg
Moving back towards the rear seats
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376268079.jpg
Feels like it gets easier back here ;)

speedo 08-11-2013 06:26 PM

I was going to delete the rear seat...
 
But I didn't. It won't get used...there are no seat belts. But with the seat backs laid down, it is in a sense "a shelf". Pretty much a 1) lay it out to check the fit 2) apply the contact cement to both surfaces and 3) go slowly when laying it down. And remember...kind of like "rock-paper-scissors", carpet with edging goes down last.
Setting the stage
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This worked out well
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376270028.jpg
These go in next, or trial fit before the soft window gets permanently installed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376270062.jpg
And it is almost time to create the frames to mount these. I had forgotten how nice the contrast between the perforated and basketweave looks :)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376270603.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376270623.jpg
I'm psyched...side panels, rear shelf and side trim and I am ready to conquer the bows and soft window
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat5.gif

merbesfield 08-11-2013 07:14 PM

Lars, looks nice, but I think you forgot to black out the seat belt mounts before carpet install. Get out the tape and plastic ;)

speedo 08-11-2013 07:28 PM

seat mounts...in da rear
 
Ok fine...I will use photoshop to clean them up. Jeeze...got those solexes dialed in yet? :p

Speedo

speedo 08-18-2013 08:08 AM

ok fine...
 
Rear seat back mounts....happy now?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376837286.jpg
Kind of feel like I am stalling on the soft window bow install. One side of me justifies the procrastination :rolleyes: buy doing small jobs that are leading up to the "real deal" with the excuse that things need to be done chronologically so that I don't have to undo something. The other side of me is a bit nervous :eek: that things won't fit...after all of this prep. As such I'm moving closer, figure a day away from actually having to confront the vinyl and bows. There, I did it...ultimatum time. First step is admitting you have a problem, right?
I really want to install the seats. But it makes zero sense to do so until the interior is completely installed. They will just be in the way. I can however sort of justify making the seat brackets for the pair.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376837745.jpg
And here they are. Look good huh? Hey, have to start somewhere...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376837790.jpg
I sort of have an idea of what they will look like in my head
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376837856.jpg
I am using 3/16 x 1 1/2 flat stock and the standard tunnel and side longitudinal mounts. My modified Recaro E30 seats are still heavy, but lighter than the factory stock "bench" Recaros (I'm not going to miss that crunchy horse hair feeling), and maybe lighter than the Recaro sport seats. I don't have a set nearby to weigh, if someone wants to go to the effort to weigh one and report back...I will weigh one of these and we can compare notes. These Recaros don't tilt on their sliders the way the early sport seats do, but they sort of rotate forward on a parallelogram chassis. First stab at the crossmembers
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838297.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838321.jpg
The spacing on the E30 seats on each side is a few inches shorter than the factory mounts, so we'll need to accommodate the spacing...this should work
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speedo 08-18-2013 08:24 AM

Mush...
 
Roughed up for sizing
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838602.jpg
So we test fit the brackets...and measure for the set attach points and to make sure everything will clear dimensionally
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838782.jpg
So far so good...drill, fit and hit repeat for the drivers side
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838884.jpg
I'm done...prime and paint
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376838952.jpg
And set them aside till the rest of the dang interior is done :(
Speaking of which, I have a day (today) to get everything wrapped up. Here goes...This is going to go quick. Side panels first, then rear shelf, then side panel tops, then rear seats right? Wrong...I'll explain later. These measurements are needed to know where I have to perforate my new shelf for the tie downs. I will be blind so I need to be able to triangulate to know where to go "in".
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376839120.jpg
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Done...almost
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speedo 08-18-2013 08:39 AM

I screwed up...not badly
 
But still a screw up. Problem area is right here...anybody notice anything wrong?
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I do. Can you say seat backs? As it has been a while since I disassembled the car...(can I still blame the painter :rolleyes:) I forgot the reassembly sequence. The rear seats have a flap that is tucked back up underneath the bottom of the lower vertical face of the rear shelf...hidden as it were. I spaced and installed the shelf first. No big deal, just need to carefully remove the edging trim screws and lift the lower edge up enough to tuck those flaps in place. Now we are done...correctly.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376839894.jpg
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Tie down brackets in place which help to secure the shelf to the ...well the shelf.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376839993.jpg
Came out nicely.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376840024.jpg
Side panels all trimmed out with the belt guide in place...man, it seems like I have been working on getting these side panel and the belts sorted for a long time,
But it worked out ok. And I am glad I went the "belt upgrade" route.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376840140.jpg
The dreaded bows...:D
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376840295.jpg

Kidasters 08-18-2013 08:49 AM

This is coming along great.

I remember when I re-did all of the carpet in my car. It took me 7 months. And that's with re-wrapping all of the rear interior panels and rails with new vinyl.

I would have left the middle brackets for the rear seats blue though.........

Jays72T 08-18-2013 11:36 AM

Always impressive work. Thanks for taking the time to post your projects.

speedo 08-19-2013 06:31 PM

Kidasters... what are you and Mark in cahoots...just working me?
 
[QUOTE I would have left the middle brackets for the rear seats blue though.........[/QUOTE]

Ok...we have seat police and mirror police and bumperette police...never thought we would have rear back seat mount color police. I need to move this thread over to the ESR where it seems like this stuff matters...Mark are you listening
So I attacked the soft window today. Were it not for curtisaa's help, It would have been more arduous than it was. So I am going to rip through this as it has been done before. Only difference as I see it is I made my bows and attachment fitting as opposed to using factory bows from another car...and this had me worried. I feel as though I am a good fabricator, but it is one thing to restore or replace a one dimensional part. The bows were complicated and this is where the rubber meets the road in terms of how things ultimately line up and fit.
Here we go...
My rear bow is two piece which makes it easier to insert into the vinyl, but more difficult to assemble the hardware once assembled. Let the vinyl sit in the sun to warm up for a while...looks like a gapping sharks mouth...with vinyl goggles
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376960689.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376960751.jpg
Ok, we install the big bow first
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376961294.jpg
The holes for these in the bows need to be located and installed...I take my rough measurements
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376961364.jpg
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And commence the countdown. I am confident I will be installing and un-installing this all afternoon
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376961483.jpg
I was right. With the rear shelf in place, I spent three hours trying to convert my fingers to a set that articulate backwards, could see in the dark and had mammoth strength. No way to find the holes to match up the catches on the rear shelf with the eyebolts attached to the rear bow...just no way. I decided after becoming completely frustrated to remove the rear shelf (which I really didn't want to do as I was of the impression that it was going to be impossible to reinstall after the soft window was installed) and after I did...attaching the bolts securing the rear bow was easy...I could actually see them
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376961856.jpg
I was able to easily reinstall the rear shelf...partway there
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1376961918.jpg
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I'm not going to lie and say that I only had to dis-assemble the top bow from the targa bar three times to get everything right.

speedo 08-19-2013 06:41 PM

No it was more than that...
 
Latches and receivers installed for the fourth time
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Now with the rear shelf reinstalled...Mom, "I think we won"
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Man...this was tough. My fingers, hands and arms are sore. I see why the big guys...Autos Inc (where my tonneau is coming from) etc, get the big bucks for a job well done. The rest of us hacks do the best we can :rolleyes:
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I'm beat. I need to roll the car out into the sun for the vinyl to heat up and find some equilibrium...it has beat the crap out of me and I have stretched the heck out of it...we are both worn out. My hat is off to all who have gone before me and installed softies on hard window cars. My hat is further off to anyone who has converted a targa without factory hardware SmileWavy

Speedo

merbesfield 08-19-2013 06:43 PM

Lars, I'm listening. Thank goodness you got that ever important detail taken care of, now I can sleep tonight. You have real perseverance I must say. That top looks like a complete *****! Blame it on the painter. Great job as usual.

speedo 08-24-2013 07:17 PM

Almost, almost done...
 
I will contemplate restoring a softie in the future but I am going to go on record and say I don't want to do a conversion (and try to make it look correct) again.
Of all the restorations I have done, this one has (and is still) kicking my butt.
I took today to install the targa cover and install the rear window wipe gasket. The headliner...that was my recent nemesis.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377395803.jpg
The cover installed...I had to partially install the rear gasket before installing the cover...PIA I won't go into
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377396088.jpg
The holy grail of soft tops...wow was I lucky
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And installed....
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377396432.jpg
My new restored Dave Brown targa top...ouch $ !
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Need to install the targa headliner and the seat belt attach point
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377396810.jpg
Here we go...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377396958.jpg
Yay...I am close to being done...with the targa top :D

Speedo

Kidasters 08-25-2013 03:24 AM

You, sir, are excellent. The rear window looks like a bear, and the lesser of us would have given up.

This is one of my favorite build threads. Beautiful car done beautifully.

speedo 08-26-2013 06:14 PM

Couple more gaskets and some trim
 
Front seal on the targa bar is the last before the new top $$ gets fitted
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377564975.jpg
And the sill trim needs some help, not serious help, but just help.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565050.jpg
Aircraft stripper should be safe...right? They use it to strip paint off the exterior of aluminum skinned aircraft.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565092.jpg
Elbow grease with a scotchpad and the results
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565171.jpg
Not new but nicer. I have decided that I don't like the nylon fake rivets...but I do like the SS trusshead sheet metal screws instead
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565270.jpg
These will look fine. If I want to replace them with the rivets, I can do so.
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I will need to redrill location holes in the new outer rockers
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565437.jpg
Final upholstery on the front half of the tunnel. As there is no boot to cover the base of the 901 shifter...I chose to mount the carpet under the shifter. I think it cleans up well.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565992.jpg
Next on the agenda are the lower door gaskets, door panels and the windshield and rear view mirror. Floor carpets...then "by golly" I may allow myself to install the seat frames and the new seats. I will need to install/fabricate the inner seat belt attach points. I get to choose a steering wheel/hub and horn button...heck, I am running out of interior punch list items!:)

lateapex911 08-27-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedo (Post 7623061)
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Final upholstery on the front half of the tunnel. As there is no boot to cover the base of the 901 shifter...I chose to mount the carpet under the shifter. I think it cleans up well.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377565992.jpg
Next on the agenda are the lower door gaskets, door panels and the windshield and rear view mirror. Floor carpets...then "by golly" I may allow myself to install the seat frames and the new seats. I will need to install/fabricate the inner seat belt attach points. I get to choose a steering wheel/hub and horn button...heck, I am running out of interior punch list items!:)

Agreed. But I wonder, a nice touch might be some allen cap screws in Stainless or black ?? Just a thought, incredible job so far!!!

speedo 08-31-2013 06:28 PM

sills and door panels
 
Glass guy came up on Thursday (yeah, I don't install glass...they break it, they own it)...couldn't get cell phone reception to google my address and was too new school to actually look up my address on the internet so he just drove back and forth in front of my house looking like an idiot...while I was yelling and waving from my shop. Gave up and left. I called the dispatcher who contacted him. Driver called, angry at me for not jumping in my car and chasing him down...really? Said he was upset that he could not get cell phone coverage at my house....so he went back to his shop. Dispatcher asked me if he should fire the dude :eek: I told him it was not a big deal, just get someone else up here...soon. Sent another guy Friday...yesterday. Pretty cocky about all his experience with Porsches. Three hours later he gave up and said he needed another set of hands. I repeatedly offered to help :confused: maybe I look questionable...yeah that's it. I am now rescheduled for Tuesday. They are not making much off my glass install at this point. Remember the part about why I don't install my own glass :D
So I trimmed my aluminum door sills and drilled and attached. I had to un-install (hate doing that) the lower door gasket. But they look good.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377998176.jpg
My targa receiver rivets arrived and I modified a punch to deliver them. They are black plastic and hollow. Try to hammer them in place and they will double over and die. The washer on the punch helps to center them and the punch slides into the center and keeps them from collapsing.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377998218.jpg
My door panels as received from the upholsterer
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I am ready to install these bad boys as the last (with the exception of the seats)
bit of my interior install. Oops Houston a problem...When I picked these up from the upholsterer, I looked at the one on top...paid the dude and left. Now I see an issue with the drivers door panel in front of the winder. First the passenger side that looks good...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377998622.jpg
Now the drivers side where someone made a booboo and tried to hide it
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377998672.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377998692.jpg
Not cool. And The fact that he tried to slide it to me and hope that I missed it ...pisses me off. I left him a message which he will probably not get till Monday or maybe Tuesday. Unacceptable for the prices I paid. N'other delay. I am used to these. Dang-it.

Kidasters 08-31-2013 06:35 PM

Wow. Two steps forward, one step back.

Yeah - I've learned the hard way about those plastic targa bar rivets. I've gone through about 12 of them.

Bad form on the upholsterer. Good services are hard to come by, aren't they?

speedo 08-31-2013 06:55 PM

Ok, I have one good panel to work with...
 
So I start to work on the passenger door.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999283.jpg
I will need to get these in shape to install. I have to install the panels roughly on the door to mark and drill for the pins. Once the holes for the pins are drilled and installed, I secure the pins and upholster. Here we go...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999504.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999536.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999572.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999608.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999713.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999663.jpg
These guys need to get dialed in
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377999903.jpg
Almost done. I need to figure out where my attach points are for the handles. Some riv-nuts are going to be needed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378000240.jpg
More progress to come over the weekend.

Speedo

merbesfield 09-01-2013 08:31 AM

I had read a post or two about how "easy" it is to install glass. Then I watched Mark from Mark's Custom Glass, not me, spend over three hours wrestling with one 911. And he does them a lot. Turned out to be a crappy gasket. And then your story hear. No thanks, that is one job I will be happy to sub out.

As for your door panel escapade, that is just complete low-rent BS. Take him out back and shoot him, after he fixes it of course. Dumb!

speedo 09-01-2013 07:01 PM

Passenger door and front bumper deco...
 
So the armrest is going to need a bit of love before installation. I thought the doors had a "captured nut" but not. There is a hole in the right place, but no nut. No big deal...riv-nuts were invented. These will work...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378086973.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087001.jpg
Guy that did my door panels did the armrests. I am reasonably pleased with the job...but it was a pain to get the bottom panels on.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087099.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087123.jpg
Door finally assembled
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087176.jpg
And his lonely friend :( wishing that he had a door panel...(that wasn't buggered up)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087257.jpg
Time to step it up and get this guy ready to mount
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378087301.jpg

kokenm 09-02-2013 07:32 AM

Door upholstery
 
What did you use for the board under the door upholstery? Looks shiny like metal.
Mine are terrible and I need to come up with a replacement before starting to rebuild the upholstery

speedo 09-02-2013 07:49 AM

Bumper overiders, or bumperettes, or whatever...
 
Are going away up front. Ordered and received new rubber deco, as the old stuff was drilled and dented from the old bumperettes. I could fill the holes with some black caulk, but the vertical imprints are not going to look to great any closer than 30 ft. Yanked the deco rubber off and came to find that not only had the bumperettes imprinted the rubber...but they left their mark on the aluminum as well
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378132619.jpg
Hmmm...torque those suckers down good and hard, don't want them coming off at speed. Sheesh!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378132691.jpg
I want to work on installing the trim today, so no time to order and wait for another aluminum deco strip. I can work with this. And as I attempt to "work" out the dimples from the bumperettes, I can also go over the rest of the aluminum and massage any other dings as I find them. I grabbed my file and attacked...cleaning the file marks up with varying grades of sandpaper and elbow grease
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378132906.jpg
Cleaned up nicely...there were a lot of other dings. I thought most of my work was going to be focused on the bumperette area, but ended up reworking the entire strip...and voila, destroyed the evidence. :)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378133006.jpg
Time to work on cramming rubber bead into small channels
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378133214.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378133257.jpg
My poor fingers...

speedo 09-09-2013 05:02 PM

Front bumper and glass guys
 
So the good news first. With the new bumper deco insert, I can finish up and install the front bumper and end caps. The little T bolts that slide in the channel on the back of the aluminum deco strip have seen better days. Some are rusted off, some are broken and some just spin. I didn't think ahead on this...and really don't want to wait a week to re-order and get replacements shipped. Sorry state...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770293.jpgI think I can modify these carriage bolts to ride in the slot, and actually be a bit stronger than the original. And as they are SS, rust shouldn't be a problem for a while.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770390.jpg
Cranked out ten in no time
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770428.jpg
Carefully installing the trim and trying not to bugger the paint. The T bolts allow the trim to be installed and shifted left-right to get it centered
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770528.jpg
Then once centered, it gets tightened down. Look mom, no over-rider divots on the trim
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770588.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770605.jpg
I fabricate the fog lamp delete cover braces
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770655.jpg
And as soon as I figure out the beading for the deletes...I think it is the same beading as for the bumper end caps, but I need to confirm this. Ready to go.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1378770767.jpg

And the glass guys...not great. First guy drove up and couldn't find my house cause he couldn't get cell coverage to google my address as he drove back and forth in front of my house while I waved and yelled. Second guy found the house, but gave up after three hours claiming he needed a second set of hands (other than mine). Third guy had his vehicle break down on the way. Fourth visit was two guys in two trucks. Two and a half hours later they conceded that the glass was simply poorly made and didn't fit at all. Can't wait to hear what the office manager has to say when they show up back to the shop. This is why I don't install glass...ever. I have had the time in between glass guy visits to sand down my windshield trim, remove the annodisation and then polish the aluminum back up to remove 42 years of abuse. Looks great. just need to get it installed correctly in the dang car with some glass. I am jonesing to install my seats, but don't want them to be in the way of frustrated glass installers with sharp objects in their back pockets.

Speedo

Kidasters 09-28-2013 09:42 AM

Will the glass guys ever get this right?

Will we be amazed at just how good the fog delete panels look?

Will we hear about an upholstry shop employee that went missing because he messed up the wrong door panel?

Find out - in Speedo's next post!!!!

Hopefully soon.

speedo 10-04-2013 06:46 PM

I have an excuse...
 
Hey, where I live is a cool place if you like the mountains and the sunshine. We have had our trials and tribulations over the past few years...fires and snowfall. This time around we had significant rain over a short period of time and the resultant flooding was 100 year stuff. We are dealing with it. My problems are insignificant when compared with the losses others suffered. And there have been a few other things going on...speed bumps of life as they are referred to. But, I am back in black and want this project to come to life. So the questions in order...

Will the glass guys ever get this right? No the glass was delivered broken and new Sigla was ordered (again).

Will we be amazed at just how good the fog delete panels look? Probably not as the PAINTER ruined my deletes...and I had to go with fog lights in my replacement bumper.

Will we hear about an upholstry shop employee that went missing because he messed up the wrong door panel? Funny you should ask...just retrieved the panel yesterday from the upholsterer

Find out - in Speedo's next post!!!! This is my segway into an update...:D

Hopefully soon.

speedo 10-04-2013 07:26 PM

Ok...so where are we
 
I fought with my front bumper last week. You might think that "fought" is strong language...but there is no other way to describe the interaction between two body parts that should have (one would think wanted to) go together. The bumper which was from a different car, (was never hit or damaged, and the fenders which were also from a different car (not the same car as the bumper) had also never been hit or damaged. Trial fitting the bumper and rubber gasket...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380938551.jpg
Looks like a catfish...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939355.jpg
Doesn't it?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939389.jpg
Outer brackets are ready to go
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939421.jpg
My problems were essentially the front of the fender arches were pulled in to far and they needed to be massaged outwards to match the curvature of the bumper
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939611.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939641.jpg
I "bullied" the front fender arches a bit and things lined up
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939706.jpg
I picked up the repaired door panels yesterday...before this
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380939788.jpg
I will get them installed tomorrow. Winter arrived early....sheesh October 4th!

Speedo

Macroni 10-05-2013 02:04 AM

Amazing.......

curtisaa 10-05-2013 07:33 AM

nice
 
Lars:

You're a rockstar with Porsches!!!!

speedo 10-06-2013 05:57 PM

Onward...
 
So the door panel repair/redo was good. He apologized that it was messed up in the first place. It took four weeks to do, but we have been flooded out for four weeks, and some other non-Porsche stuff has taken priority. Get past it dude :rolleyes:
So the panel needs to be doctored to fit the door
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381105799.jpg
Temporary fit
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106267.jpg
Studs installed and the door getting wrapped up
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106309.jpg
Everything dialed in before the rain/barrier is glued in place
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106393.jpg
Been a long time coming...barrier
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106562.jpg
Finishing the upholstery
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106618.jpg
Moving along
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381106771.jpg
Almost there. Fitting the door handle on the drivers side is much easier as it is so streamlined...love these early handles
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381107329.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381107364.jpg
Gets better as we get closer ....or not

speedo 10-06-2013 06:22 PM

So the door top trim had been redone...
 
But it was so long ago that the vinyl had slipped. I wasn't happy. So it gets ripped off ...before
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381107666.jpg
Shriveled remnant of my displeasure...sounding somewhat "garage poetic"
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381107731.jpg
And done. Small problem...while trying to fit the door top, I was messing with the lock release and oops:eek:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108007.jpg
Crap. Take the door panel off, remove the moisture barrier and figure out why this came loose. Won't bore you, it was a two hour PIA.
We are installed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108162.jpg
Look mom, pockets!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108218.jpg
As a breather, I wanted to install the new washer pump. This baby mounts on the left end of the washer reservoir.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108398.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108431.jpg
Unfortunately, a forty year old reservoir did not like the new pump. Try as I could to heat, lubricate the nub to take the new pump...I cracked the old plastic. Once I figured out how to get them to play well with others...I had to seal the crack
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108616.jpg
Removed the plug and JB Weld to the rescue on the inside
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381108725.jpg
I could now use some help on the plumbing between the top two reservoir fittings and the two fittings on the pump if you feel so inclined to help with a picture of the layout.

Speedo

speedo 10-06-2013 06:44 PM

More onward stuff...
 
I was of the impression that the glass guys (remember them?) would have an easier time installing the windshield if the seats were not in the car. Then I began to think that windshields are installed in cars all the time with seats in the car. What was I thinking? :confused:
So the damn seats are going in. Brackets first
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109196.jpg
Floor is ready...vacuumed and cleaned up for the carpets first.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109267.jpg
Lay the carpet down
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109307.jpg
Even though the redone seats were Recaro, the latches and receivers were not compatible. These will go away
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109417.jpg
And be replaced with these Porsche correct receivers
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109484.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109531.jpg
I can lower the seats a half inch by removing these
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109836.jpg
Fronts were easy
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109875.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381109945.jpg
Backs were a bear. This will lower the seats 3/8ths of an inch. Seats already sit a bit proud. With a 400-420 steering wheel, getting in the car is a bit tight.

Speedo


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