VIN NUMBER HELP! Interesitng stuff

[LOWMILES]

Here is the VIN WP0EB091XFS170777. Im looking at a 1985 Turbo Cabriolet with this vin number. Something wrong? I think that this VIN is just a regular 911. If I remember correctly there were no US model Turbos in 1985 not 1985 Turbo Cabriolets. Am i correct? Any advice is helpful! Thanks!

[WPOZZZ]

Philip - Are you sure it is ...91XFS...? All I see are ...91CFS... WPOEBO91CFS170000 starts off the US Carrera Cab VIN.

[gbc]

Originally Posted by LOWMILES

Here is the VIN WP0EB091XFS170777. Im looking at a 1985 Turbo Cabriolet with this vin number. Something wrong? I think that this VIN is just a regular 911. If I remember correctly there were no US model Turbos in 1985 not 1985 Turbo Cabriolets. Am i correct? Any advice is helpful! Thanks!

i ran the VIN thru PET 7 (contains interactive specific vin searches for all yrs both euro & n.amer.)....& here's what it came up with - if you want PET 7 download i may still have the link....send me a pm

[LOWMILES]

WOW! Thanks! Is it possible its a M491 turbo look?

[LOWMILES]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

Philip - Are you sure it is ...91XFS...? All I see are ...91CFS... WPOEBO91CFS170000 starts off the US Carrera Cab VIN.

Thats the prob im having. This Porsche has all the right stuff to appear as a turbo including the suspension etc. WP0EB091XFS170777. Possible an M491?

[Wil Ferch]

If its a factory widebody a search should reveal the appropriate M491 option code. Another give-away is that most aftermarket conversions would not go thru the expense of fitting Turbo brakes, as is proper for official Turbo-Look. Look to see if they are there.

[LOWMILES]

Turbo calipers are there. Turbo gauge in the dash is in the dash too....

[LOWMILES]

Originally Posted by gbc

i ran the VIN thru PET 7 (contains interactive specific vin searches for all yrs both euro & n.amer.)....& here's what it came up with - if you want PET 7 download i may still have the link....send me a pm

Engine code shows 930, so I assume that the Porsche is an M491 turbo look. ?

[Grady Clay]

No, "Engine code 930.21" is the engine type 930/21 normal 3.2l, 150kW, 911 Carrera USA/Japan/FRG-M298.

M491 is a chassis uprate that is the entire Turbo chassis with re-positioned suspension mounts, turbo trailing arms, axles, brakes, fenders, wheels and more.

Best,
Grady

[Wil Ferch]

According to the Turbo Look (TL) registry.....there supposedly were only 5 Turbo-Look cabs made for USA in 1985.

OK on having Turbo brakes, as the TL cars should have these and would take us closer to finding a factory build..... but I don't understand *at all* the reference to Turbo gauges.

As Grady points out, the 930/21 is the regular 3.2 L normally aspirated engine......and the 915 reference to the gearbox also indicates a "non-turbo" ( motor).

[retrotech]

I am looking at an 84 M491 option 911. The chassis number is WPOABO913ES120249. It comes up invalid for Car Fax. All other chassis numbers for US CES, no #3, or ZES for other countries. Any help out there?

Stephen Retrotech: Classic and vintage Porsche cars, accessories and Porsche parts

[gbc]

Originally Posted by retrotech

I am looking at an 84 M491 option 911. The chassis number is WPOABO913ES120249. It comes up invalid for Car Fax. All other chassis numbers for US CES, no #3, or ZES for other countries. Any help out there?

Stephen Retrotech: Classic and vintage Porsche cars, accessories and Porsche parts

carfax is less than dependable for older years. PET 7 delivered this in response to VIN search (sorry cannot download page its a photo....but i've tried to include my VIN input for you to confirm)

[retrotech]

I am a bit confused? What does this info mean? Is this an official conformation its
real, with a good Vin? I need the ok, so I can buy, and scoop some 7 & 9's that are for sale. Excuse if I am not getting it. Please explain again.

Thanks,

Stephen

[gbc]

Originally Posted by retrotech

I am a bit confused? What does this info mean? Is this an official conformation its
real, with a good Vin? I need the ok, so I can buy, and scoop some 7 & 9's that are for sale. Excuse if I am not getting it. Please explain again.

Thanks,

Stephen

PET is a porsche parts program, the 7 edition is 1 of the latest available & includes capability for interactive VIN search. it is what PNA & porsche dealers would use to handle parts orders for specific vehicles.

if you pm me i will send you a link for download so you can search VIN yourself, but i will not post it (proprietary & therefore i assume against forum rules).

cheers

[dsmeyer]

Originally Posted by LOWMILES

Thats the prob im having. This Porsche has all the right stuff to appear as a turbo including the suspension etc. WP0EB091XFS170777. Possible an M491?

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch

According to the Turbo Look (TL) registry.....there supposedly were only 5 Turbo-Look cabs made for USA in 1985.

I checked the M491 / M470 data base VIN lists.
There were 113 M491 Cabs produced for North America in 1985, but WP0EB091XFS170777 was not a M491 optioned car.

Originally Posted by retrotech

I am looking at an 84 M491 option 911. The chassis number is WPOABO913ES120249. It comes up invalid for Car Fax. All other chassis numbers for US CES, no #3, or ZES for other countries. Any help out there?

WPOABO913ES120249 is a valid M491 optioned car. #9 of 354 Coupes produced for North America in 1984.

For some reason, the PET data base lists some options with an I instead of a M. So I491 is the same as M491 on the options listed.
PET also only includes descriptions for the M options, so you have to look up the I option codes separately.

[retrotech]

Thank you very much. That was really helpful.

Stephen Retrotech: Classic and vintage Porsche cars, accessories and Porsche parts

[retrotech]

Did the 84 come with 16" wheels?

[dsmeyer]

Originally Posted by retrotech

Did the 84 come with 16" wheels?

1984 and 85 M491 Turbo looks came with 16" Fuchs, 7x16 front, 8x16 rear.
Starting in 1986 the rears were 9x16.

[maxhofer]

You can check if its a factory Turbo-Look here:

Turbolook-Register - Startseite

+ lots of info on factory Turbo-Looks.

Its a Turbo-Look Register, run by Norbert in Germany. He is a very helpful guy.

[gbc]

Originally Posted by maxhofer

You can check if its a factory Turbo-Look here:

Turbolook-Register - Startseite

+ lots of info on factory Turbo-Looks.

Its a Turbo-Look Register, run by Norbert in Germany. He is a very helpful guy.

agree norbert is a super helpful guy - also has PET 7 & is happy to confirm VIN's & has deep knowledge of turbolooks