Experts.. what would you do? Engine?

[Flat6pac]

Im not telling you to buy a new motor, just how to make it easier to work on.
$2500 for a 3.2 isnt buying much, there has to be more than a little bit missing or broke.
Bruce

[j911brick]

Originally Posted by Flat6pac

Im not telling you to buy a new motor, just how to make it easier to work on.
$2500 for a 3.2 isnt buying much, there has to be more than a little bit missing or broke.
Bruce

+1, unless you get real lucky.

[911lvr]

ok guys. thanks for all the information. Good chance I will just jump into the one of the rights of owning one of these cars by dropping the engine. maybe this weekend if I can. Then I will, get the FD off and soak it and go about fixing the obvious things like hose and seals that need to be. Ill also check out and deal with the injectors. ill give the engine a good cleaning and then see what else needs to be done. The saga continues

[gsmith660]

Go here Home tell Tony Jerry Smith sent you, to see about the easiest EFI to set I have seen it will run well turn key out of the box and would be a good DIY project but this kit will not control EDIS but you could get megajolt to control the ignition and it would be a minor setup. Megasquirt is all open source and most of the software is free and easy to use. As for a 3.2 for 2500 that is a core price I would not expect that motor to run I am thinking 5-6000 for a decent running motor and that might be low. The Bitz kit can be set up for around 2000 maybe a little more EDIS for another 500.

[911lvr]

see this is why I like this place so much..LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION!! Thanks guys.

I guess I should really think about my goals so I can make the right decisions. I know that in the end someday, I will gut this car down to the tub, fix it all right, new paint, new interior, and replace the 2.7 with something bigger, newer and better. That being said, it would be nice to drive it around for the summer and then do all the major stuff to it during the winter. So well, im taking in all the good advice, im also thinking, can what ever I do (like swap to EFI) be used on the next engine whatever that is. so it gets me weighing the pros and cons of things and making sure im not spending $$$ unwisely. I also dont want to throw good money after bad such as spending on a ton on a engine I will eventually replace. I hope all my rambling makes sense. Thanks again for all the great tips and advice!! No matter what based on what everyone has said, I think ill be pulling the engine out hopefully this weekend.

[privatepang]

Very interested in this thread. I'm having similar issues iwth my 2.7 and at that stage where if its worth to rebuild or replace with a 3.0.

Still trying to exhaust all other avenues before i make this decision.

[gsmith660]

The megasquirt system is very versatile and can be used on any motor you have and it is alot more easy to program than motronic which is what the 3.2 has and bunches cheaper than the motec system and such out there and you can do the tuning yourself. EFI would not be throwing good money after bad bandaid repairs on a 30+ CIS system is throwing good money after bad IMHO the cost to fix it right is outrageous. I will add that the unit Tony sells is megasquirt 1 ver. 3 and if you need to do anything else with it it is limited in order to get real versitility you need megasquirt 2 or 3 but Tonys kit is almost complete and will work for the price and you can upgrade ECU's later.

[911lvr]

Excellent to know.. I like things that are better, easy and can be used on many engines!

[gsmith660]

I actually have no affiliation with Tony just an FYI he got pretty perturbed with me because I immeadiately loaded new firmware (MSNS extra) and changed his motherboard to support EDIS and he didn't even want to give me any hardware support after that but his kit is for the price the biggest bang for the buck and is such that it is easily upgraded to a better ECU and it really does run well right out of the box because I had the motor running normally aspirated and it ran well before I added the turbo which MS 1 would support but very few features my plans are to go to MS 3 later and twin plug EDIS. I just wanted to clear up that I am plugging that kit because it is good not because I have affiliations with the owner of the website.

[911lvr]

Thanks, ill keep that in mind.

[911lvr]

Sooo. Tommorrows the day for my rite of passage in being a 911 owner. Then engine is coming out so I can work on the FD, CIS, oil leaks, and see if I have any broken head bolts. I got the car jacked up about 26" of clearance right now. you think that is enough? Also, as I have been looking around the engine compartment I have been finding cut/broken wires. It look like this car had AC and dosent any more but there are several wires that im going to have to figure out. Pics as always.

Car jacked up and ready.


Wire missing off one side of this sensor that goes into the cam timing chain cover


These rectangle connectors are missing wires on one side. I did find one loose wire that looks like it fits but im not sure yet.



and then my favorite for what the heck was the PO thinking a bunch of wires int eh back that just look plain cut along with what appears to be a broken vac hose of some sort.

[j911brick]

Originally Posted by 911lvr

Wire missing off one side of this sensor that goes into the cam timing chain cover

These wires must be connected, and to the correct terminals.

Removing the bumper will give you more clearance to get the motor out.

[gsmith660]

Yes thats the thermo time switch for the cold start valve could be why you are having a hard time starting. Bumper has to come off unless you get it higher.

[911lvr]

well guys. I dropped the engine today. everytime I turn around there is more. The trans bolts are messed up, just cross threaded and forced in there. I pulled off one valve cover and found out that I think something was living in there. Even the oil cooler is packed full of crap. I guess its good thing it didnt start it probably would have caught fire! The CV boots were split wide open so grease is all over and it pretty much seems all 4 need replacing. Alot of the wiring in this car is cut, worn thru, just plain disconnected. The AC was removed and the heat was disabled. At this point, I just cleaned up went inside and started drinking. Not sure what to do with this thing right now..

[911Freak]

Twigs inside the valve covers? Wow! Never seen that before....

I would suggest starting with methodically cleaning and documenting everything as it is where it is. We can then go through each item one at a time and get it sorted out properly.

Once it's apart and clean you'll have a better idea of where to start the reassembly. And now that the engine is out you can get the essential engine wiring sorted, fuel lines replaced from gas tank to fuel filter (lot of threads on this) etc.

In fact there are tons of threads on everything you'll be doing, so consider yourself fortunate, you have a bunch of knowledgeable guys here willing to walk you through everything that needs to be done to get her back safely on the road.

Take a deep breath, finish a few cold ones and make a plan, oh and hang in there buddy! It gets better

[eastbay]

Those twigs are on the outside of the valve covers, don't sweat it, rookie mistake.
the rockers inside look pretty damn clean. Flip the motor over and pull the round inspection cover off the bottom see if anything is caught in the screen and look inside the case. Report back

[gsmith660]

I would pull the shroud and look for a mouse nest.

[911lvr]

ok, after taking the rest of the night off last night and drinking a bit I started to relax some. Enough so that today I was able to go out and discover more fun that this car keeps giving me. Step one, remove Fuel Distirbutor. It came off pretty easy, I soaked the bolts/screws last night. Got that off and dumped it in a container and just covered it with wd40 as recommended. I didnt take it apart, I just dumped it in there to soak for a few days. Step 2, remove the CIS. it came off pretty easily, lots of little parts and connections but it came off in one piece. When I finally got the CIS off. I looked in all the intake ports and discovered one was completely full of fuel.. WTH?? no wonder it didnt want to start and was pouring out gas. Once again, good thing it didnt start probably would have caught on fire. So im guessing that injector is toast and maybe cause by the FD as well. I found more wiring messes and then when I started taking off the shroud I found mouse house. Unfortunately I have to work today, so that is as far as I can get. this is worth it right? right? knowing it will be fixed correctly and safe.

pics below and any suggestions are very welcome.

FD getting ready for its WD40 bath

Soaking away..


oh joy full of gas.. got a match???


more wiring.. it looks like it was cut and then joined back together and then electrical taped.

And last but not least..a home for mickey.

[j911brick]

Notice the little white filters in the FD. Don't lose those - sometimes they fall out. I'm not sure how long I would let the FD soak - keep in mind there are rubber o-rings inside. The puddling in the one cylinder doesn't mean you need a injector. Since the piston is stuck it basically held open all the injectors. Don't worry about the wiring until you can figure out if something is not hooked up.

[911lvr]

Thanks James. My schedule wont allow me to mess with it for a few days but when i get back to it ill keep everyone posted. these are my plans while its out besides the basic cleaning it up.

1. replace all the common oil leak issues, the trinity and oil cooler.
2. repair the few wiring issues I know HAVE to be fixed.
3. replace the oil tubes that have to be replaced
4. replace the clutch
5. replace the injector o rings
6. have the injectors tested
7. replace the CIS lines

Anything else you would do while its essentially a long block??