I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear

[brads911sc]

Cant argue with you on this. Altho its the only intelligent and truthful thing you said, based in facts, in the entire 35 page thread filled with otherwise useless drivel... ironically, you and wwest are alot alike. both spewing speculation as fact...

Originally Posted by KelogGes

wwest you are the clueless idiot related to anything about the 911 A/C system and are the number one contender from the other top 10 plagues of crap posters here that damage absolutely every A/C related threads here!

You need to be removed from posting here because of the problems you cause that have ruined all the A/C Threads here. Take hint and get lost

To the unsuspecting go read any A/C thread here in the last 2 years where wwest has entered the discussion and you will see right away what I mean

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by Carbster

Hey whats that big square hole in your radio?

This is not my 911; this 911 pictured is owned by one of my very happy front and rear matched set PFC's clients that now has a 30 degree in 95 ambient temps A/C

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

Cant argue with you on this. Altho its the only intelligent and truthful thing you said, based in facts, in the entire 35 page thread filled with otherwise useless drivel... ironically, you and wwest are alot alike. both spewing speculation as fact...

GET Over IT, I dumped you last year for constant changing what you told me you wanted custom made for you.

looks like you have taken over as the leader of the usless drivel here.

I am making and supplying 911 A/C PARTS AND INVENTING MORE PRODUCTS I am not the BS like many here are

Enjoy the obsolete A/C technology you bought GRIN

[sacoffee]

So no learning only flame baiting?

[wwest]

Originally Posted by sacoffee

Thanks Joe, the hoses aren't stock for sure but the receipts from PO don't show them, only the compressor, fans, relays and R-134. Ordering a new fan and fuse set up for the front condensor.

I understand the physics of AC but not the mechanics, make since?

Anyway thanks for the reply

The configuration you picture may well be derived from one that I have been suggesting for a few years now. Even possible, given the need and simplicity of the design approach, that someone else came up with the idea strictly independently.

Assuming a "clone", the front condensor fan may have been intentionally disabled just as I suggested.

You might/will find that the 2 fans run in series, half speed, with the A/C switched on, both automatically go to full speed when the compressor clutch is engaged.

With the increased efficiency of the rear condensor resulting form the additional cooling airflow you might not need the horribly inefficient front fan anyway.

Do you have an opinion as to how well the system cools as is once the cabin is cooled down initially...?

[KelogGes]

sacoffee

Steve I have started writing a reply to you post here but am a little busy and will post it as soon as I can

[sacoffee]

Originally Posted by wwest

The configuration you picture may well be derived from one that I have been suggesting for a few years now. Even possible, given the need and simplicity of the design approach, that someone else came up with the idea strictly independently.

Assuming a "clone", the front condensor fan may have been intentionally disabled just as I suggested.

You might/will find that the 2 fans run in series, half speed, with the A/C switched on, both automatically go to full speed when the compressor clutch is engaged.

With the increased efficiency of the rear condensor resulting form the additional cooling airflow you might not need the horribly inefficient front fan anyway.

Do you have an opinion as to how well the system cools as is...?

Thanks West ... According to the receipts this was installed in early 2012

Never put a thermometer on it but it blows really cold ... Problem is the amount / mass of cold air output, the system cant exchange enough air to keep up 111 F heat index day like yesterday. I would love to have more volume.

The front condensor blower was frozen - took it apart tonight.

[sacoffee]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

sacoffee

Steve I have started writing a reply to you post here but am a little busy and will post it as soon as I can

No worries - you guys obviously know your stuff and we could learn a lot.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by sacoffee

I know you guys are good at debating, maybe you could help a brother and tell me what this stuff is and what it does for my AC because it needs help here in Houston

Just figured out tonight that the front condenser motor, inside trunk isn't working. Or at least not coming on while in my garage.

All installed by PO, not sure if he installed barrier hoses when converting from freon.

New compressor?

NO clue on the compressor!

I am going to tell you straight up if you want to have colder A/C IN YOUR 911, you need to remove your old Porsche OEM Behr obsolete front and rear condensers and replace them with the newest technology condensers you can afford the more state of the art the better!!!

Porsche made a major well known A/C design flaw in the body of the early model 911’s of not having enough A/C condenser SURFACE AREA room available in the original front and rear condenser placement area’s to allow the A/C to properly work until I came along and overcame the flaw using state of the art condenser heat exchanger technologies using my custom designed and engineered for early model 911’s PFC’s.


Here is some helpful advice

For your “front fan in the trunk not working”, the first thing you need to do is to find out and verify if FAN MOTOR is getting 12 volts electricity to the fan electric motor leads and the other fan electric motor lead you need to verify it IS grounded, if this true the fan motor should work if it is not damaged/burned out.

Key switch on, A/C switch ON unless you want to start the engine which you do not have too. Also without the engine running with these switches both on you can sometimes hear a very slow turning motor maybe.

Note there is an electric A/C relay switch usually inside of “the smugglers box; WHICH IS further/deeper inside your front hood area under a hinged plate with 2 movable tabs that when slid lets you open the smugglers box in the area around the sides of your black plastic evaporator box.

Note also on top of the black plastic evaporator box the evaporator fan motor that is probably also fead electricity from the same relay as your front condenser squirrel-cage fan motor, you might have only a bad relay or loose wire?

If you determine you need to replace your front condenser squirrel-cage fan motor or your evaporator blower motor in the future if damaged, I recommend if you’re going to use Porsche OEM parts to replace either of these 2 motors because they have failed to order the Porsche 1989 model year motors because they have higher RPM fan shaft speed then prior years motor models!!!!

You can also just connect 2 wires to the battery and connect them carefully on the wire ends using alligator clips directly to the motors 2 wires and this way bypass the relay, going from positive and negative battery terminals to the positive and negative motor terminals; this will tell you right away if you have a bad electric blower motor

Note your front condenser fan is very important, mostly for A/C cooling during stop and go traffic/driving or extended idling.

Note your evaporator fan puts out the coldest A/C air temps into your cabin when the fan speed is set on lowest speed; NOT HIGH SPEED!!!!

I am not going to say much about your OEM condensers except the 2 rear deck lid condenser fans and relays are useless
I seal my PFC’s to the rear deck lid and use the engine fan because it is far more then needed


I have posted a wealth of information here if you can take the time to find and read what interests you and you will learn a lot

[wwest]

Originally Posted by sacoffee

Thanks West ... According to the receipts this was installed in early 2012

Never put a thermometer on it but it blows really cold ... Problem is the amount / mass of cold air output, the system cant exchange enough air to keep up 111 F heat index day like yesterday. I would love to have more volume.

The front condensor blower was frozen - took it apart tonight.

"...blows really cold..."

That would imply you have adequate condensing capability even without the front fan.

"..blower was frozen.."

That would imply a blown fuse. Given the circumstances the PO may have ignored....

[brads911sc]

Did not Happen. I offered to test... And I never heard from you. Too busy making crap up and quoting 20 hear old Google lab info. Nice imaginary gig you have going here...

Quote de brads911sc

Cant argue with you on this. Altho its the only intelligent and truthful thing you said, based in facts, in the entire 35 page thread filled with otherwise useless drivel... ironically, you and wwest are alot alike. both spewing speculation as fact...

GET Over IT, I dumped you last year for constant changing what you told me you wanted custom made for you.



looks like you have taken over as the leader of the usless drivel here.



I am making and supplying 911 A/C PARTS AND INVENTING MORE PRODUCTS I am not the BS like many here are



Enjoy the obsolete A/C technology you bought GRIN

[brads911sc]

Good god. Don't get your info from Wwest. Lol he just makes it up as he goes. Do a search.

Quote de sacoffee

Thanks Joe, the hoses aren't stock for sure but the receipts from PO don't show them, only the compressor, fans, relays and R-134. Ordering a new fan and fuse set up for the front condensor.



I understand the physics of AC but not the mechanics, make since?



Anyway thanks for the reply

The configuration you picture may well be derived from one that I have been suggesting for a few years now. Even possible, given the need and simplicity of the design approach, that someone else came up with the idea strictly independently.



Assuming a "clone", the front condensor fan may have been intentionally disabled just as I suggested.



You might/will find that the 2 fans run in series, half speed, with the A/C switched on, both automatically go to full speed when the compressor clutch is engaged.



With the increased efficiency of the rear condensor resulting form the additional cooling airflow you might not need the horribly inefficient front fan anyway.



Do you have an opinion as to how well the system cools as is once the cabin is cooled down initially...?

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

NO clue on the compressor!

I am going to tell you straight up if you want to have colder A/C IN YOUR 911, you need to remove your old Porsche OEM Behr obsolete front and rear condensers and replace them with the newest technology condensers you can afford the more state of the art the better!!!

Porsche made a major well known A/C design flaw in the body of the early model 911’s of not having enough A/C condenser SURFACE AREA room available in the original front and rear condenser placement area’s to allow the A/C to properly work until I came along and overcame the flaw using state of the art condenser heat exchanger technologies using my custom designed and engineered for early model 911’s PFC’s.


Here is some helpful advice

For your “front fan in the trunk not working”, the first thing you need to do is to find out and verify if FAN MOTOR is getting 12 volts electricity to the fan electric motor leads and the other fan electric motor lead you need to verify it IS grounded, if this true the fan motor should work if it is not damaged/burned out.

Key switch on, A/C switch ON unless you want to start the engine which you do not have too. Also without the engine running with these switches both on you can sometimes hear a very slow turning motor maybe.

Note there is an electric A/C relay switch usually inside of “the smugglers box; WHICH IS further/deeper inside your front hood area under a hinged plate with 2 movable tabs that when slid lets you open the smugglers box in the area around the sides of your black plastic evaporator box.

Note also on top of the black plastic evaporator box the evaporator fan motor that is probably also fead electricity from the same relay as your front condenser squirrel-cage fan motor, you might have only a bad relay or loose wire?

If you determine you need to replace your front condenser squirrel-cage fan motor or your evaporator blower motor in the future if damaged, I recommend if you’re going to use Porsche OEM parts to replace either of these 2 motors because they have failed to order the Porsche 1989 model year motors because they have higher RPM fan shaft speed then prior years motor models!!!!

You can also just connect 2 wires to the battery and connect them carefully on the wire ends using alligator clips directly to the motors 2 wires and this way bypass the relay, going from positive and negative battery terminals to the positive and negative motor terminals; this will tell you right away if you have a bad electric blower motor

Note your front condenser fan is very important, mostly for A/C cooling during stop and go traffic/driving or extended idling.

Note your evaporator fan puts out the coldest A/C air temps into your cabin when the fan speed is set on lowest speed; NOT HIGH SPEED!!!!

I am not going to say much about your OEM condensers except the 2 rear deck lid condenser fans and relays are useless


I seal my PFC’s to the rear deck lid and use the engine fan because it is far more then needed


I have posted a wealth of information here if you can take the time to find and read what interests you and you will learn a lot

"..use the engine fan becuase it is far more than needed.."

Isn't it pretty obvious that the above is NOT the case, even with ANY aftermarket condensor design, given the engine cooling airflow improvement Porsche did with the 964 to increase just the engine cooling capability....??

[tobluforu]

These are just amazing threads. I don't think there have been many threads at all on this board that have gone this long, and haven't been locked due to all the crap being flung at each other. And for the most part, all because of A/C, frickn classic! Super entertaining though, glad I don't have a/c in my poorscha.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by wwest

"..use the engine fan becuase it is far more than needed.."

Isn't it pretty obvious that the above is NOT the case, even with ANY aftermarket condensor design, given the engine cooling airflow improvement Porsche did with the 964 to increase just the engine cooling capability....??

Hu?! Porsche reduced engine cooling efficiency with the 964 in attempts to lesson noise - the 964, curved blade fan moves significantly less air than the earlier, 11 straingt blade fans and they added those ridiculous, heat trapping panels under the engine . . .

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by tobluforu

These are just amazing threads. I don't think there have been many threads at all on this board that have gone this long, and haven't been locked due to all the crap being flung at each other. And for the most part, all because of A/C, frickn classic! Super entertaining though, glad I don't have a/c in my poorscha.

Move to Texas, or any other similar climate, and see if you still think that.

[tobluforu]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

Move to Texas, or any other similar climate, and see if you still think that.

Oh, don't get me wrong my other car has a\c and I use it once in a while here in chicago, but this thread is nuts!

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by tobluforu

Oh, don't get me wrong my other car has a\c and I use it once in a while here in chicago, but this thread is nuts!

You're right about that! This reminds me somewhat of the ". . . Hurt by MotorMeister" thread. I knew from the OPs first couple of posts that this, and other threads of his, were going to be doozies as he started right of bragging/patting himself on the back about his a/c prowess while disparaging others in the Porsche a/c field. Then add on his "top secret/non disclosure agreement" verbage, repetitive pictures and text, and escalating insults and here you have it!

[wwest]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

Hu?! Porsche reduced engine cooling efficiency with the 964 in attempts to lesson noise - the 964, curved blade fan moves significantly less air than the earlier, 11 straingt blade fans and they added those ridiculous, heat trapping panels under the engine . . .

Those curved blades are used for the same reason that jet airplanes have swept wings, less air turbulence, more efficient airflow. So those 964 curved blade fans are not only quieter, but quite possibly move more cooling airflow throught the engine cooling vanes.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by wwest

Those curved blades are used for the same reason that jet airplanes have swept wings, less air turbulence, more efficient airflow. So those 964 curved blade fans are not only quieter, but quite possibly move more cooling airflow throught the engine cooling vanes.

They move MUCH less air according to Porsche (as published in Bruce Anderson's book) and were used only to comply with noise reduction mandates. Note there is an error where 997 is used in place of 993.