What to do with a tub...RSR?...ST?...RS?...

Rgroupie · 03-13-2002, 11:14 AM

so thanks to the watchful eye of TRE I may have a nice rust free 69 LWB tub in my future...

so where should I go from here...

I really liked the ST picture Jack O posted a while back...
is the only way to go with fiberglass???
I have concerns about my paint cracking and the inconsistencies with FG panels...

or should I use SC steel flares? or maybe turbo flares??
If I use turbo flares maybe I can grind them to get that more rounded lip??

Or have you RGruppe fellas had good luck with FG...GT racing catalog is pretty extensive...

I will be up a Cambria to get some first hand info and pictures...just wondering if you guys had any suggestions to get me started...

Thanks

MJ

orbmedia · 03-13-2002, 12:11 PM

IROC. Just do it.

CamB · CamB's Garage

I see your evil plan - IROC are short hood cars, or... SC based

pwd72s · 03-13-2002, 12:38 PM

Here ya go...

Rgroupie · 03-13-2002, 12:45 PM

Well I am leaning towards an ST right now....

I like the R for what it is...but the ST has got the R on looks...

I think tails mess up the classic lines of the car...but I will probably have a glass duck tail on hand for track days...

but am I right to assume that the ST is a tailess RSR and the wider S type front spoiler?

And I really need advice on glass vs steel....I mean I can probably find a tub with RSR glass on it...very popular clone cars...many unfinished project cars around...or should I get the TRE tub and put steel on it???

I know lightness is a factor...but I more interested in durability since it will be a street car too...not a full blown race car...

thanks

Early_S_Man · 03-13-2002, 12:56 PM

How about this one ...

and, from this angle ...

Enough said?

jriera · 03-13-2002, 02:24 PM

MJ, I'm going thru the same decission process.. I'm leaning towards the ST 'look', I'm trying to contact Raceline in Germany (manufacturers of steel reproduction parts for early cars).. if I succeed I will go the ST route.. If not I will go with GT-Racing fiberglass products with 9" front and rear.. unless you can weld very well, the cost of installing steel flares and repaint is too high, or at least that is my experience so far.

Let us know what route do you take..

pwd72s · 03-13-2002, 02:30 PM

Warren...great looking car. But you know, I don't think I'd go with the bicycle wheel out the back...

orbmedia · 03-13-2002, 02:35 PM

On all of these early widebodies the wheels are a key component to the overall look. Where are you gonna get wheels like that?

Eric Coffey · 03-13-2002, 03:08 PM

My vote goes to a 1967 911R clone. No fenders to weld on, just a completely minimalist approach. Just think, you could combine an already lightweight chassis with Lexan windows, fiberglass/CF hood, doors, deck lid, bumpers, etc.., and then throw in a 3.6L! Can you say: "power-to-weight"?

Oh, and I believe the ST has the same size (9"?) fenders front and back, where the RSR has wider fenders in the back.

Randy W · Randy W's Garage

Freefly, if you have luck with Raceline on the ST flares, please let us know. MJ, if you go ST, your wheels for a vintage look would be late 7x15 Fuchs front and 9x15 Minilites rear for the '70 version (standard front bumper style), or 7 or 8x15 Fuchs front and 9x15 Fuchs rear for the '71-72 version ('72 style front bumper/spoiler). All these wheels can still be found on the used market, although the 9x15 Fuchs tend to be expensive.

Early_S_Man · 03-13-2002, 03:20 PM

Paul ... didn't you know that RSR's were rated for pulling bicycle trailers ... at 178 mph???

Two Oh · 03-13-2002, 05:32 PM

pwd72s · 05:52 PM

Warren? We really are old goats, aren't we? Yes, I remember that photo...a giant air dam behind a P-car...bike rider to follow in the wake. Sad part is, iff memory serves...the effort failed? Must have been the bike rider's fault.

GregS · 03-13-2002, 07:03 PM

My vote - an RSR with steel Turbo flares and silver paint

Jack Olsen · 03-13-2002, 11:33 PM

On all of these early widebodies the wheels are a key component to the overall look. Where are you gonna get wheels like that?

As I see it, the still harder part is finding decent 15-inch tires in those widths. My plan would be to get 17-inch 3-piece Fuchs made. It approximates the right look (not perfect, I'll admit), and allows a great selection of tires -- so your widebody beauty can perform as great as it looks.

Alan.UK · 03-14-2002, 12:16 AM

I recently saw an ST up close, whilst buying a 2.2 71 S. It won me over in seconds_hence my vote goes ST.

Alan.UK

PS. Jim hope you don't mind me attaching a snap of it?

David Bahr · 03-14-2002, 08:14 AM

Re: bike pullers...

Porsche was participating in an attempt to set the world bike speed record. Giant bustle behind a 935. Wanted to go 155 MPH. Kept blowing bike tires.

Um, a blowout on a bike at 100+? No thanks, I'll pass.

jpnovak · 03-14-2002, 10:26 AM

I vote for the ST - thats what I am building. There are few replicas, especially when compared to the RS. This of course brings up a question.

I have purchaced a set of late Carrera cut-off flares. Everyone knows the SC/Carrera flares are 9". the RS flares are also 9" with a more aggresive flare-out by the rockers.

The ST also has 9" flares but they look even more aggresive than the RS or SC/Carrera. They seem to have the same shape as the RSR but in a slightly narrower form (maybe 10").

Will my replica look funny with the SC style flares compared with the correct ST flares? I don't even want to think of what the cost of correct steel ones would be. maybe this would be a good time to invest in that English Wheel I have always wanted. Anyone for rolling your own?

BTW it seems that the flares did change over the years. I have looked at pictures in John Starkey's book and Vic Elford's driving book and the earlier cars(late 69 into 70) have a more narrow stance than the later cars (71-72). Maybe the RSR develolpment caused the wider flares. I dunno. sorry for the rambling.

Jamie

jpnovak · 11:45 AM