993 to refined for my taste.....

[nippy]

I have an 82 SC thats just raw and loud.Its not the fastest machine but it is a fun machine.I went and drove a 95 993 coupe this weekend that is for sale in my area.Must say,BEAUTIFUL looking expample of a 911.Nice interior,nice sound,nice car.

BUT

I found it to be just to civilized and refined.The steering was well,powered.The shifting felt flimbsy and to easy,the clutch was feather light,the sound was boring and tame.The suspension felt wobbly and loose (with HandR springs) .The acceleration didnt even blow me away....?

I was not to impressed.My buddy that went with me just said,Im used to my car,which is loud and raw and has all elephant racing bushing,and I guess what you would call a sporty suspension,Im used to it.No AC no radio no creature comforts.NONE!I guess just a different kind of car.

Dont get me wrong would love to have a 993 AND my car but I wouldnt trade the guy straight up if he offered.His car is a 95 993 with 50K miles and some moddest mods including techart aero stuff,H and R springs and 18" RUF wheels.His will probably go up in value and mine will go down after Sebring has its way with my car!

Just wondering what others might think of the 993.....I wasnt blown away like I thought I would be.


His beautiful fast Angel.........






My nasty and slow lil devil.....

[village idiot]

Though I haven't yet driven a 993, I do find my recently finished RS impostor more appealing than my 88 Carrera. The sound is much more aggressive(M&K sport), and the cis injection is much more rev-happy. Totally different feel from each other.

[911lvr]

I think they are both great in there own ways.

[kiwiokie]

My in-laws used to own a '96 cab which I drove many times. In outright performance it would leave my lightened SC for dead but I would not buy one as it feels too "modern" to me.

[village idiot]

Originally Posted by 911lvr

I think they are both great in there own ways.

I agree, my RS is definitely not a "date" car. And I can actually put groceries in the Carrera(16 bags is my record)

[Bill Verburg]

You guys do realize that the character of any car is in how it's setup?

[nippy]

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

You guys do realize that the character of any car is in how it's setup?

I agree,this is my first 911 and I put allot into it.I researched allot and tried to go with the best set up and parts for a street/track car.I love the way the car came out and I guess Im kind of spoiled on it.


Then I researched more about Porsche the brand and kind of figured the ultimate for my taste would be a 930 or a 993.The 993 didnt live up to what I thought It would be.I could easily see it being a great daily driver/sport car.But I miss the purity and rawness of my car.I am yet to try the 930,I have ridden in one but have not driven.I understand also its a different beast.

[Flieger]

Yes, a well set-up 944 would run rings around both the 993s and the hotted up SC/Carreras.

[RWebb]

beyond the setup is the weight, and the speed taken over a particular course

if you want to go fast the 993 is it, or if you want better control and handling on a bumpy, twisty road

but an early 911 offers a fun, raw feel at much lower speeds

I was able to compare 2 911s and a Boxster S over and over again on a rough, bumpy and very twisty road near my house - I did that course in one car, parked it, and got in another, all within minutes of the previous run.

The Boxster S was way faster (uphill or downhill) and had much more aplomb, but the 911 was more fun. I did not own a 993 but I'm pretty sure the same would be true from my subsequent driving experiences.

On a race course, you will win in a 993 over a 911.

[Quadcammer]

Originally Posted by nippy

I agree,this is my first 911 and I put allot into it.I researched allot and tried to go with the best set up and parts for a street/track car.I love the way the car came out and I guess Im kind of spoiled on it.


Then I researched more about Porsche the brand and kind of figured the ultimate for my taste would be a 930 or a 993.The 993 didnt live up to what I thought It would be.I could easily see it being a great daily driver/sport car.But I miss the purity and rawness of my car.I am yet to try the 930,I have ridden in one but have not driven.I understand also its a different beast.

You are comparing a nearly stock 993 to a fully set up carrera. Set the 993 up like your car, and I'm sure you'd much more impressed.

[Joeaksa]

Nippy,

Put a 3.6 in your car and it will really transform it! I have Bill Verburg's old 3.6 in mine and it worked wonders. Then backdated my car and lost a good 300 pounds off of it and its a totally different machine.

Like Bill says, its all in how its set-up, but you can cheat a bit!

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

You guys do realize that the character of any car is in how it's setup?

That's true. I called my '95 993 the "bloat-mobile" since that characterized its handling with the stock suspension. I wasn't in love with the 6-speed gearbox, either. Still, it was a pretty nice car.

[nippy]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Nippy,

Put a 3.6 in your car and it will really transform it! I have Bill Verburg's old 3.6 in mine and it worked wonders. Then backdated my car and lost a good 300 pounds off of it and its a totally different machine.

Like Bill says, its all in how its set-up, but you can cheat a bit!

thats allot of cash,Im at 215 HP now and just spent a boat load on the whole build.My guy wants to do a quik turbo and add some 100HP.So its a toss up.But for now,Im a novice in the green group and 215HP is more then I can handle at this time.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Nippy,

Put a 3.6 in your car and it will really transform it! I have Bill Verburg's old 3.6 in mine and it worked wonders. Then backdated my car and lost a good 300 pounds off of it and its a totally different machine.

Like Bill says, its all in how its set-up, but you can cheat a bit!

Joe, I still have a 993 3.6(slightly modified w/ RS cams and headers) in my C3. They weigh w/i a 100#s of each other. Have the same calipers and rotors. The 993 blows it away in all respects except as a dd





You can make any of these cars into just about anything you want, it just takes some $ and a vision

[porschenut]

Originally Posted by RWebb

if you want to go fast the 993 is it, or if you want better control and handling on a bumpy, twisty road

but an early 911 offers a fun, raw feel at much lower speeds.

Exactly. I own both a 993 C4S and a lightened, chipped 86 911. Both cars have upgraded suspensions. The 993 outperforms the 911 in every way, but both cars are a blast to drive. The C4S is just easier to drive fast, and there's a bit less drama.

[tazzieman]

Originally Posted by porschenut

and there's a bit less drama.

As in?

[Venetian]

As has been said many times in the past, I think it depends on whether you want a DD or a fun week end car. I don't think I'd want mine as my only transportation(have 2 other vehicles) but as an occasional ride, it is great.

I have driven a friends Cayman S and found it much like any other car. It is an autmatic though which doesn't help. It looks good but the drive is to ordinary.

[flyenby]

I owned a 97 993 Carrera S and found my 84 Factory Turbo Body to be a car that was more fun to own and drive...regret ever selling it..............

[efhughes3]

I have both. My Targa weighs a bit less than 2600lbs, and it is pushing 270HP. It is pretty well developed in the suspension and brake dept. My 993 is about the same HP, and not as flat on the tq curve, but it comes on strong north of 4K. It weighs in excess of 3000lbs. You can do the math and see which is "quickest", but the 993 is faster. It is also an amazing car right out of the box, as it is 100% stock, but is extremely capable in the mountains. Did I mention is has good A/C?

Both have a place in the garage, IMO. The 993 is getting it's development work started this winter-new Bilsteins and ROW shocks, bushings and exhaust are sitting in the garage waiting for me to get busy.

They are both sweet cars. Choosing one would be tough.

[mrm930]

I owned a 97 C4S with the aero kit, hardback seats and a boat load of options. I loved it. It is definitely a more refined ride. Easier to drive. I also have had 930 turbos. The 930 can take a little while to master - even then there is more to learn. The AWD in the C4S is very good - it pulls you around a corner where the 930 slides more.

Having said that, I still am more of a 930 guy. However, I am currently looking for a long hood project. Just classic and raw.

If I could afford it - I would like to buy a 98 Turbo -last of the air cooled


78 930 heavily modified
10 BMW M5
10 Cayenne GTS