How do I open the engine lid?

[rnln]

the owner has to have a key to sell the car anyway. So wait for him to get a key before you spend your time.

[timchar]

Originally Posted by ivangene

think of the money spent making a key like spending money on a PPI...the whole idea is to spend a little money to protect yourself from being burned by unknowns of a car you wish to purchase....not just tire kick

quit being so cheap and buy a key for the thing if you want the car..the owner obviously is of poor character or he would have already spend the money....so letting the owner damage the car is your other option....

sorry....this isnt that hard, you just have to man up to the car or walk away....if you spend the money on a key and the car turns out to be a lemon, walk with your key to the edge of the ocean and throw it in....take the owner if he insists you cannot have your key, let him watch you throw the key into the ocean

I have more, but dont feel like typing it all, not being mean, but this is sort of silly on multiple levels anyhow

BTW I know the ocean is a little far for you being in UT and all..but......

You tell him Coupler Whisperer... He can mail me the key, I'm in California, I can throw it in the ocean. Tim

[Rexs-911T]

A good locksmith can make a ket on the spot just giggling a blank in the key hole and a file, I lost all my keys to a enclosed trailer and it had a double sided key, the local lock smith made me a key in less than 5 minutes this way, key blank and a file. Charged be about $5.00, granted I drove the trailer to his shop so he had no road time. But It was scary just how fast he made me one.

[mclmk8d]

This guy sounds like a swindler. I wouldn't touch this car with a 10-ft torsion bar! And you bought another car from this guy last year under the same circumstances!?!?!? There are lots of good Porsches out there with legitimate titles AND KEYS. Just my 2¢

[super9064]

It's easy to have a key made at the dealership, you need the vin and proof of ownership. If he is unwilling to do this, I would value the car as needing a full engine rebuild ie. book value minus $20.000.

[steve911T]

I truly find it hard to believe that an owner of a 964 would walk away from their car with a $3500 bill. That is not even a top end valve job. I would be very suspicious and would expect to find a real bill of possibly an engine rebuild or an engine replacement. Good luck. Steve

[brianhiggi]

Thanks to everybody for their sage advice and wise warnings. I'm not one to rush into buying anything without careful considerations of all factors. If I did purchase the car with it's unknown problems (possibly a complete rebuild), what should i offer? The body and interior are in nice shape. He won't sell it until he gets the title.

The previous car ('78 SC) I bought from him was a low risk buy at $1,000. I have put $1,000 for a distributor, CDI and a few other parts. The interior is rough, so is the paint and it has some vacuum leaks that I haven't remedied yet, but it has been a fun first Porsche project.

What was this tread originally about? Who cares.

[brianhiggi]

Is a key easily made or is it a difficult to make security key?
Has anybody had a key made for a '90 964 where there wasn't a key to be copied?

[Dave Colangelo]

I would not pay much for this car. maybe 2K if that. You can tell him that regardless of how "nice" the car may look, its really not about that its about mechanics. Cars are for going places, super models are for looking at. Run under the assumption that nothing works, which is a safe bet it sounds like in this case. Make all your price judgments with that in mind. If he gets a key made and you are able to get in the car and maybe start it thats a whole new story.

Regards
Dave

[aoncurly]

Someone needs to talk to a dealer - they can provide a key for about $150. All that is needed is the VIN number. When I checked with my dealer, they said nothing about bringing my title - just the VIN number.

[SCHNELE]

I am a new car dealer, and we generally need some kind of proof of ownership or legal possesion to cut a key. Having said that, not all dealers have that requirement and for all modern cars the key can be cut from the VIN only. I do not believe the 1990 has an "electronic" key so conceivably your local dealer can make you a key.

[brianhiggi]

Ok. I think I'll go ahead and try to get a key made.
And I think I'll use the "cars are for driving, supermodels are for looking at" analogy when I'm haggling the owner. Thanks Dave.

[trak ratt]

Given a valid VIN and title/owners card any P car dealer can order a new key. Never know an Impound dealer or tow truck driver that didn't have and know how to use a "slim jim"