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Classic 10-27-2012 01:00 PM

Door handles are missing the rubber bases, you can get new ones PM for details as our host doesn't have them.

The license panel rubber is correct, it sits up at 30 odd degrees away from the panel, so that when you close the lid it pushes down.

The trim is a bugger to do, I had the same problem, I started at the curve, and then went to the straight section, the T nuts on the back are available so don't worry if you bust any of them.

I ended up with my welding gloves and a map torch, obviously not on the car, and without rubber, trial and error if you know what I mean.

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 7054427)
It is nice that you removed your wedding ring out of respect for your new grey mistress... :-)

I don't know if the Rat qualifies as a mistress ;)

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfyboy (Post 7054489)
Fantastic job, I am going to begin the reassembly on my 70T in 2 weeks and your thread is very helpful. My fenders had fiber washers with the metal fender washers and I have not found a source for replacements. Do you have a supplier? When you installed at the shop did you put the fender gasket material? where was your source. At the rear panel over the muffler are you planning on fabricating a heat shield to protect the painted panel?

I got my fender attachment kit from Stoddard and it includes new clips,fiber washers, and screws. I think it was in the $45 range. When I put the fenders on at the shop I only put in four bolts and did not put in the fender gasket material, which I ordered from Pelican. I am planning on fitting the fenders this coming week. I am not planning on fabricating a heat shield. It did not come from the factory with a heat shield and I think the rear panel will be fine.

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 7053655)
Carry on - my 69 is getting painted next week - thanks for the slate grey paint card by the way....
I can use all your picture documentation and problems/resolutions to speed up my reassembly... (mine is a 912, but other than the engine they are pretty similar)

http://www.erikaslist.com/pictures/912_redo7.jpg

It will be awesome to have an other slate gray car out there especially one as close as Tampa! I hope the paint card helps you in getting the color exactly right.

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wasserkuhl (Post 7054830)
*Slaps forehead.

forgot about the alloy. I'm from Australia so not that bright.

Carry on...:rolleyes:

Did a dingo eat your baby?

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 95avblm3 (Post 7055096)
No problem... Since you and RWebb said pretty close to the same thing, I wasn't sure if I had missed something myself. Hopefully Kristoph doesn't mind forging the path for the rest of us as I am going to be faced with the same parts (and probably the same problem) on my own car at some point.

Cheers!
Jeremy

I will gladly wade into uncharted territory! I think it will just be a matter if patience and bending the aluminum multiple times until it fits correctly.

kkinzli 10-27-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vandha (Post 7055412)
Hey! Wasserkuhl is from SOUTH Australia!! The lights are bit duller over there and tend to come on about 10 years later than the rest of Oz :D

Wasserkuhl, any chance of you coming over to Vic. for a PFA SMT sometime.

Kristoph, great job on reviving the Rat, I can't wait to see the finished build.

Harvey (aka Harvs11)

Thank Harvey,

My family comes from southern Germany so I am often in the same boat as Wasserkuhl. A standing Bavarian joke is that a carpenter cuts off a board three times and is still confused as to why it is still too short. Thanks for the encouragement.

kkinzli 10-27-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic (Post 7056189)
Door handles are missing the rubber bases, you can get new ones PM for details as our host doesn't have them.

The license panel rubber is correct, it sits up at 30 odd degrees away from the panel, so that when you close the lid it pushes down.

The trim is a bugger to do, I had the same problem, I started at the curve, and then went to the straight section, the T nuts on the back are available so don't worry if you bust any of them.

I ended up with my welding gloves and a map torch, obviously not on the car, and without rubber, trial and error if you know what I mean.

Hi there Classic,

My door handles do indeed have the rubber bases. I looked back at the picture and they are quite hard to see. I spent about an hour scraping red overspray off of the original door handle rubber because 69 was a one year only door handle. Luckily I was able to save and reuse the rubber. Thanks for the tip on the license plate frame. I will try to put my seals on the panel tomorrow and post some pictures. I will keep you posted on the trim but I have a feeling it might be a while to get it just right.

Classic 10-28-2012 02:59 AM

Photos!! Sorry about that I couldn't see the little rubber on the front of the handle against the slate grey....old eyes and an iPhone.

That trim is hard, it took me ages......

Keep up the good work, and if you have any questions feel free to PM as I'm a little ahead of you with my 69's assembly.

Tony

kkinzli 10-29-2012 07:34 AM

Day 73: I was able to make some good progress over the weekend cleaning parts and getting them back on the car. I was able to clean up the door strikers, put in the door stays, install the wiper motor and cabin air intake (with grill) and put on the license plate. I used two neoprene washers for each bolt so that the plate does not physically touch the shiny new rear panel. I was also able to get the Rat running again and took it out of the garage to work on the driveway in the sunlight. Here are the first pictures of the Rat in sunlight!!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351520967.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521034.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521056.jpg

License plate washers
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521084.jpg

God the NM plate looks awesome against the slate gray!!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521125.jpg

Cleaned and polished door strikers. It took about an hour for each side to remove all of the red overspray and shine everything up with a polishing tool on the dremel. I did opt to use stainless steel screws here as the originals were horribly rusted.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521206.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521261.jpg

kkinzli 10-29-2012 07:39 AM

Day 73 cont:

Door stays

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521395.jpg

Wiper motor and air intake with grill reinstalled. I made sure to polish all of the hardware for the wiper motor before it went back on the car. After I got it installed it would not work and I spent about 30 minutes trouble shooting only to find that the ground wire had gotten unplugged during install:mad:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521523.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521549.jpg

95avblm3 10-29-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kkinzli (Post 7058966)
Day 73:...

Cleaned and polished door strikers. It took about an hour for each side to remove all of the red overspray and shine everything up with a polishing tool on the dremel. I did opt to use stainless steel screws here as the originals were horrible rusted.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521206.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351521261.jpg

Looks great in the sun and your elbow grease on the nitpicky parts is paying dividends!

Hey, how did you get the striker plates adjusted correctly? Trial and error? Drill and pin prior to paint? Other? I've searched on this subject before but for some reason the process has never really settled in my head.:confused:

Thanks!

kkinzli 10-29-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 95avblm3 (Post 7059066)
Looks great in the sun and your elbow grease on the nitpicky parts is paying dividends!

Hey, how did you get the striker plates adjusted correctly? Trial and error? Drill and pin prior to paint? Other? I've searched on this subject before but for some reason the process has never really settled in my head.:confused:

Thanks!


I did not do anything! I just screwed them on and everything seems to work pretty well. Guess I got lucky. Maybe I can get them to work better if I adjust;)

RWebb 10-29-2012 12:25 PM

the door adjustment - striker plate issue would be a most worthy separate thread to start...

kk - you replaced the seals on the air flow & blower system, right?

also, do you own any land in NM? might allow you to run those plates...

Classic 10-29-2012 01:38 PM

When you go to set your fenders, a good trick is to spray the terostat with WD40.

It will give you about 10 minutes to slide them back and forth to find the correct spot before it dries out. Because once it sticks, it really sticks.

Looking good.

jpnovak 10-29-2012 01:58 PM

You need to anneal the aluminum trim to make it easy to bend.

Simply heat it up with a Oxy/acetylene or MAPP (propane works but takes longer) torch and then quench cool with water. This will change the grain structure from work hardening and make it quite malleable. Then you can just shape by hand to fit the proper contour.

After shaping you may find you have to slightly trim the inboard edge to clear the bumperette.

Do the same on the front bumper trim.

kkinzli 10-29-2012 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Classic (Post 7059720)
When you go to set your fenders, a good trick is to spray the terostat with WD40.

It will give you about 10 minutes to slide them back and forth to find the correct spot before it dries out. Because once it sticks, it really sticks.

Looking good.

Thanks for the tip! I am also planning on making sure that I have a hole everywhere I need them because I read somewhere that the Terostat buggers up the threads something terrible. I will also make sure that all of my threads are fine and put bolts in before fender attachments to check that everything is clear of paint and debris.

kkinzli 10-29-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpnovak (Post 7059758)
You need to anneal the aluminum trim to make it easy to bend.

Simply heat it up with a Oxy/acetylene or MAPP (propane works but takes longer) torch and then quench cool with water. This will change the grain structure from work hardening and make it quite malleable. Then you can just shape by hand to fit the proper contour.

After shaping you may find you have to slightly trim the inboard edge to clear the bumperette.

Do the same on the front bumper trim.

Thanks for the great tip. Nothing like playing with a propane torch to make trim fit! I don't think I will need to to any of this for the front as it fit perfectly when I fitted it before paint.

kkinzli 10-30-2012 03:15 PM

Yeah!! 50,000 views of the Rat:D

Rotmilky 10-31-2012 12:14 PM

Wow, you've managed to basically tear your car apart and put it back together in the time it's taken me to get around to checking my thread. I think I last posted my progress in Nov of last year. So, very impressive work.

As it turns out, going slow has its advantages. I can let other people like you figure out how to do something before I have to think very hard on it. I particularly like the way you've undertaken your restore in small bits that you fix and then put back together. It has the advantage of not needing to remember where on earth you stuck the part. I have a feeling that I won't remember where half my parts are when I go to put them back on.

I'm still going hard at mine...but significantly behind you. I'm in rust repair neverland right now. My girl is significantly rustier than yours. But, she is slowly coming along. Maybe one day I'll get around to updating my thread with the litany of "heres another rust hole before and after patch" photos. It's always a nice feeling to know that with every hole patched, I'm one step farther away from the spaghetti strainer I started out with. :D But with winter approaching rapidly here in NM, it's likely to get too cold to work on my car till Spring. :(


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