I think it is a travesty that we have lost the craftsman of previous generations - not just at Porsche but in all sorts of manufacturing. First, these jobs no longer exist and are now done by a machine. This means that there are less jobs for the middle class. Second, the training programs at manufacturing plants educated, invested in and took care of their workers on several levels (see Reutter 356 book). Thirdly, we can not produce anything as a country as all of these jobs went abroad to lower the bottom line for companies. Finally, we currently have a helpless generation of men running around the US. I am most likely one of the younger members on this board (currently 31) and there are far too many men my age that don't know the difference between a flat head and a phillips. All they care about is video games and therefore never developed any useful skills such as the ability to use tools and think through problems and fix them when they were growing up. Also the ideal of being self reliant is totally destroyed - about two years ago I pulled over to help a car with a flat tire only to find a young man in his early twenties sitting there texting on his phone. He told me that he was calling AAA because he could not change the tire!!:mad: I have a feeling that the generation below mine is even worse at being helpless. I must conclude that repeatability is great but in the process of seeking repeatability we eliminated many good paying jobs and coupled with computer games created a generation of men that are an embarrassment to their forefathers.

I think I struck a chord there :eek: Actually, you make some very good points of which I agree... maybe I should have stated my comment differently... what impresses me is the technological advancements that ultimately have led to safer, longer lasting, more efficient products. I see your point that mechanized/automated manufacturing has eliminated/shifted jobs elsewhere as well as reduced the emphasis on training and education for these types of jobs.

I was about to say that I think the problem is bigger than just manufacturing but I re-read your comment and see that you probably agree with that. Without getting too deep into a philosophical discussion (of which I'll be the first to admit is not my strong suit), I take "and coupled with computer games" as a metaphor for the many additional contributing factors, not the least of which is entitlement, laziness, services such as AAA (although I do think they have their place), our up-bringing (which is a great variable) and the 24-hr constant opinion based "news" that really isn't news and is brought to us on any number of television stations, computers and mobile devices... which were made possible by our advances in technology. Oh $#!%, I feel like I am really contradicting myself now. You're right, it is kind of sad.

One last comment: I am 33, very close in age to you, and like you I pride myself on being able to wrench on my own cars, boat and house... some of it I learned from my dad, much of it I've figured out on my own. As I've gotten older, the knuckle busters and seemingly insurmountable mechanical problems that use to frustrate me are now merely challenges that make doing this kind of work more fun. The single biggest impetus behind the purchase of the particular 911 I bought was the challenge of having to complete tasks that I have never attempted before in order to take it from a boxed up basketcase to a roadworthy automobile.

Okay, I think I'll stick to commenting about Porsche's here from now on... it's probably for the best. Sorry to hi-jack but thanks for posting the original links and your response to my first comment.

Amen brother. You are completely correct. I am 25 and am about a year away from receiving my degree in manufacturing engineering. I find it very sad to see how many of the engineering students in my classes have no practical technical skills. I love reading through threads like this one and seeing that there are still people out there that are willing to take the time to figure stuff out for themselves. I don't have the time or budget currently to work on my project but, when the time comes, I want to do as much of the project myself. It's not that I'm against the idea of paying others to do what they are good at, but because I have a desire to become more skilled and versatile myself.

Tangent: digressing suddenly from one course of action or thought and turning to another :D

:D So true, so true... Sorry for being he cause.

- just to emphasize this so it does not get lost


the manf./helplessness comments are good ones but could better be posted in OT (not PARF!)

Great post and I feel exactly the same as you do about doing things yourself and seeking knowledge along the way. One of these days we will have to get together and have a few beers and discuss off topic issues such as what is wrong with America. Glad to see there are other "young" guys out there that find pleasure in hard work and solving problems.

Hi there Daddy Glenn,

I am a professor. What do you expect! Let me correct your definition

Tangent: A professor every 5 minutes;)

Cheers,
Kristoph

Thanks Obi Wan! You just saved me from making a big mistake. I was planning on going down to Single Source where I got the PPG and getting the 3M strip caulk tomorrow.

Amen to your comment. It is great to see "younger" people that have your attitude. The projects here on Pelican are so wonderful because they are all about becoming more skilled, versatile, and having fun doing work. Don't know who said this but I have been using it for years

"Anything worth doing is difficult" - If it was easy anybody and everybody would have already done it and there would be no satisfaction in doing it. Additionally you would learn a whole lot of nothing in the process. When you get your project going feel free to PM any questions you stumble upon.

Tomorrow the Rat goes to get the rear wheel wells and the hinge attachment areas blasted. It is already 9:15pm and the car is far from ready so I should stop going off on tangents and take care of business. Off to the garage

I will probably take you up on that. I'm sad to say, but my car looks to be in a lot worse condition than yours. It's going to be a long and fun journey. Keep up the great work with your project.

I think a 67 sounds like an awesome project! Also, you are in Utah so your car will keep for many years in the current state and there is no rush to fix everything. With all the help here I am sure you can attack even the most daunting rust repair. PM me anytime.

Here are some pictures of the last remaining red/tangerine/sand beige areas that I took before heading in to work this morning. Notice the awesome old bed sheet in place to protect the dash and tunnel. I found a ton of sheets like that when we moved into the house and they have been great at keeping things clean (Read: I certainly did not buy that thing!!). I will post pics from the progress later today. Around noon Peter and I will take the car to the painter (with his tow dolly! Thanks Pete:)) to discuss the steps involved in the process and what still needs to be done before paint. After stopping by the painters we are taking the Rat to the blaster to get the hinge areas, front vin area, and rear wheel wells all cleaned up. Once cleaned up the we will need to rush the car home and back into the garage and get primer sprayed on all of the clean areas asap. The weather report looks like 40% of precip which I really hope to avoid. We have a ton of tarps ready but that will not keep everything dry. Wish me luck with the giant Florida afternoon thunderheads:rolleyes: I feel kind of like Gandalf trying to sneak through the mines of Moria without the orks noticing.



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Good luck, but the orcs read the internet.

Day 49: Today was an amazing day in terms of progress. Peter and I were able to take the car to the media blaster where all of the remaining red/sand beige paint was removed. Here are a few pictures of us putting the car on the tow dolly.

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Here is a picture of Peter jacking up the car so that the media blaster can get at the rear wheel wells. We made sure to cover and tape off all of the instruments and other holes in the body.

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Returning with a clean shaven Rat:D:D:D We did not get any rain even though it looked like we were going to the entire afternoon. Looks like the orks don't use the internet;)




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Day 49 cont: Here are a few shots of the blasted areas before final clean up. I had to clean up quite a bit of the gasket material around the doors and at the front because silicon and rubber cause the media to bounce off resulting in no removal.

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Day 49 cont: When we brought the car back we did a vacuuming party for about an hour. Here are a few shots of Peter and the Padawan vacuuming.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1347585465.jpg
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After vacuuming I did some work with the wire wheel and stripping disk for the final prep

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That is as far as I got today. I currently have the car sitting in the garage with the door to the house open so nice dry air conditioned air is filling the garage. This will prevent flash rust from occuring as the AC removes most of the moisture. I am planning on treating everything ala Freddie Hernandez in the morning and shooting primer before I go to work. I decided not to shoot paint tonight because of bad lighting conditions. An open garage door with spotlights everywhere would just attract bugs that would stick in the paint. Additionally it just rained a little (right after getting the car inside:eek::eek: - I guess the orks did find me after all) and having doors open would just invite rust before I was able to lay down all of the primer.

why didn't you drop the motor?

I didn't drop the motor because I wanted to keep the car running!! I am planning on driving it again in about a month. I have taken care of all the rust issues throughout the entire car which was the initial goal and soon I can enjoy the car:). Dropping the motor would have resulted in me rebuilding the rear suspension, fixing all of the oil leaks, clutch, maybe rebuilding the tranny etc. etc. etc. etc. Seeing as the car is in great running condition and I am out of funds for this project at the time being I think this was a wise decision. Someday when I need to replace the clutch I will drop the motor and tranny and clean up the engine bay and rebuild the rear suspension. That is a story for another day. The goal was to have a nice driver that was protected from the elements and I am getting really close to that. The last two major expenses I have are going to be carpet and the paint. I am planning on putting my old ratty seats back in for the time being until I can afford to redo them. This car will definitely not languish in my garage and I am not risking any further rust damage by not rebuilding easily blasted suspension parts.