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how good does your car Turn?
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i am wondering if anyone here who has done suspension work can tell me what worked for you how do 911`s take to stiffer springs/shockes. did you set up your car for more overstear or understeer and how did it react to your mods i have a 71 911 T which i plan to autocross this summer i know setting up the handeling charistics of this car will take some trial and error but i am looking for a place to start i have the koni adjustables front and rear but i am unshure of what size torshion bars to get ect Thanks Kyle 71 911 |
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04-24-2002, 03:25 PM
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As light as your vehicle is, 21/27 torsion bars should be fine. Many ppl go 22/28 in the later SC's and Carreras. I went 21/27 because mine is a cab. I then went 22mm WM sway bars front and back. They are adjustable so you can dial in the understeer/oversteer and get close to a neutral balance. This is a good starting setup and will compliment your Koni's nicely.
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04-24-2002, 04:36 PM
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I also have 21/27 torsion bars, 22mm Weltmeisters, and Koni Sport adjustable shocks. For me, it's noticable stiffer (I also changed to Yokohama A032R tires) but the handling improvement is impressive. There is lots of room for adjustment with the shocks and anti-roll bars. Right now I seem to have pretty neutral handling - I would adjust for more oversteer at autocross than on track.
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I'm running 22/29 t-bars, 23/22 sway bars, Bilstein 'Green' shocks, 7&9 Fuchs on a widebody car. I have TRG adjustable sway bars, set to about the middle of the adjustment. I'm running 205/50 and 245/40 RE730 tires for the street and Kumho V700 VictoRacers for the track.
At 'normal' speeds, ie on the street, my car is fairly neutral, but I can throttle-on oversteer at will. On the track, I have a wee bit of understeer at high speeds, which I counter with more throttle or more steering input. I have no immediate plans for further suspension work, other than maybe replacing the ball joints - that's the only piece I *haven't* replaced. I just bought a set of 17" track wheels today, 9's and 11's - that should be fun!
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In addition to suspension, wheels and tires, lightening the pendulums(aka bumpers) at both ends of the car can have a dramatic effect on turn in on a later car. Jack wouldn't benefit much because the early bumpers were already pretty light.
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I already switched front and back to fiberglass.
Keeping myself on topic, I run 21/30 torsions and 22/22 antisways. The way you set your suspension up (camber/caster/toe) can make a big difference, too. In my case, having a fairly light car, with a fairly torquey motor, and an 80% limited slip, means my car pushes a lot in low speed tight turns. Aside from that, it's fairly predictable. Pelicanite Tyson Schmidt's been working his magic at TRE Automotive to get it to handle even better.
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04-24-2002, 08:34 PM
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Ok, so if reducing the weight of the front bumper is good for turn in, then I would think moving the battery farther back would be equally good. Yet few ppl do it, and many say it may negatively affect handling.
Also, if you reduce the weight on the ends of the car, and get better turn in, does that make the car less stable at high speeds in the straights? Is it a trade off (I believe toe or caster has this same effect). Colby |
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04-25-2002, 04:19 AM
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The most effective improvement if not already done in turning is plenty of negative camber, especially in autocross. You'll have much quicker turn in, along with darty highway driving, steering that requires both hands on the wheel and uneven tire wear.
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I noticed an significant increase in body roll after I had my car aligned with negative camber. I didn't want to go with stiffer bars all around to counteract the roll that the negative camber induced and make my already stiff suspension even more uncomfortable, so I set the camber back to stock.
I also did not care for the added push I experienced in slow turns with negative camber, not something I'd want in an autocross. Cheers, Joe Garcia 86 Carrera 92 Grand Caravan 86 Olds 98 |
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04-25-2002, 07:40 AM
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