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island911 04-30-2002 09:06 AM

That Cool Valve Adjustment tool - New Source
 
UPDATE: FOR SALE HERE:
Pelican Catalog - Valve Adjustment Tool PEL-LM-VALVE


Since many have been beating there heads trying to find a vendor who still carries those cool tools John Walker dangled in front of or noses, I followed though on my sources for having them made.
Also, since the holder previously available wasn't quite right for our 911 application, I've incorporating a few design changes.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate...djust-01DB.jpg

The price is $20 +shipping.
If you want one let me know. You can PM or email me island911 (ata) comcast.net

island911 04-30-2002 10:08 AM

.004 shim stock
 
Oh yeah. . .this will ship with .004 shim stock.
So unlike the other N/A tool, this is supplied with the tool.

john walker's workshop 04-30-2002 12:01 PM

anyone who adjusts their own valves will be really happy using this tool. the lower left side behind the cat, on SCs and carreras, and #6 intake on C2/C4s still requires the smaller, hard to hold tool with the little blades that are a pain to change.

Argo 04-30-2002 12:17 PM

JWW - Do you need the smaller tool if you have a cat bypass pipe? I don't want to get hung up for a few days waiting for a tool to do the last valve.

Argo
88 Targa

CamB 04-30-2002 12:26 PM

Where does one get .004 stock?

Cam (stuck down in New Zealand)

island911 04-30-2002 02:08 PM

Cam, form the original thread on this, you can find Feeler gauge stock Here
A nice low price. . . .But, the down side is, this is 1095 tempered spring steel. The problem with this alloy is it is hard to bend w/o snapping. And, for these tools it needs to bend.
The stock that will be sent out in "my" tools is stainless steel, and has gone through the rigorous John Walker destructo testing. (read: JW says it behaves (bends) nicely, even though it can be snapped as well)

Argo, I'm having a prototype of a short version built, but as JW has pointed out, for all the other valves, it's a big help to have the length. Using the short one is a bit like trying to write by holding a pencil by its' eraser, I suppose.
It did cross my mind that a short piece of shim stock could be backed up with a peice of metal (or a popsicle stick) to make a crude tool for these two valves.

john walker's workshop 04-30-2002 02:14 PM

with a bypass pipe, there's enough room for the new tool. (you should have both tools anyway). the 12" feeler blades can be had from any tool truck. mac, snapon, cornwell. or at machinist supply stores. the 12" blade will last a long time though. when the tip gets chewed, pull it out a bit and cut off with scissors, dress the slight burr with a small file, rebend the tip and move on. it's the cat's ass!

bento 04-30-2002 05:18 PM

when are the tools going to be completed? are they available as of right now?

db

marcesq 04-30-2002 05:43 PM

Island:

Can you give us a source for the stainless steel stock. I'm looking for some .005.

Thanks in advance.

island911 05-01-2002 07:42 AM

When are they going to be completed? . . .
 
They are being built right now. The shim-stock is to be here next Monday. So plan on them going out on the 7th or so.¹
Big Thanks to eveyone who let me know you wanted one. I needed 20 requests (rcvd 23) to feel comfortable about having 30 built.
I also rcvd quite a few “interest” emails; my favorite, requesting a “John Walker autograph version” heh heh
Anyway, I’ll respond to all the emails, tonight. But for now I do need to, atleast, pretend I still have a real job. ;)

Marc, The guy who’s building these sourced the stainless steel stock. I can find out the details of where, but, as JW said, the 12" feeler blades can be had from any tool truck. mac, snapon, cornwell. or at machinist supply stores. Most should have the SS stuff.

1. If anyone has there valvecovers off and can’t find their lil’ screw-in gauge holder, because they threw it across the garage in frustration; well, let me know. I’ll see what I can do. :)

tholyoak 05-01-2002 10:01 AM

If you are looking for feeler gauge stock you can get it here


www.mcmaster.com

and do a search for feeler gauge stock.

They have a ton of it and its pretty cheap.

Todd

marcesq 05-01-2002 06:13 PM

Thanks Todd . . . just ordered some SS .004 & .005.

Island:

Let me know when your tool is available, as I would like to have one loaded with .004, and one with .005.

Cheers

jlex 05-02-2002 04:45 AM

The check's in the mail. Hold one for me. Thanks.
regards,
jlex.

marcesq 05-03-2002 12:58 PM

Whoaaaa McMasters is unbelievable. Ordered 5/1 @ 10p.m. came today UPS ground.

Now where do I send the check for my SS .005 holder:D

Wayne 962 05-03-2002 07:11 PM

Hmmm, never had a problem with the standard $10 tool:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/Porsche/catalog/shopcart/PORS/POR_PORS_PTOOLS_pg6.htm

Also small feeler gauge blades already cut are in our catalog as well:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/Porsche/catalog/shopcart/PORS/POR_PORS_PTOOLS_pg6.htm

-Wayne

island911 05-04-2002 12:10 PM

To be Clear
 
As John Walker says “you should have both tools anyway”
The small one for “the lower left side behind the cat, on SCs and carreras, and #6 intake on C2/C4s”

Doug Zielke 05-04-2002 12:28 PM

Well, I can hardly wait to try the island gauge.
It should work just fine on my cat-free motor.
The "standard $10" tool is a pita with its fragile little blades and the tiny screws and nuts.
And thanks to you, Glenn, for going to all the trouble. Extra SCWDP merit points for you!

Jdub 05-22-2002 06:45 AM

Glenn:

Wow! Got the tool yesterday and both the tool and the inventive packging for shipping are FIRST-CLASS!

You really went the extra mile for us. Thanks very much for taking the time to source, assemble, package, and ship these excellent feeler gauges. You are a prince among men!

A grateful John

john walker's workshop 05-22-2002 07:31 AM

glenn gave me one a couple of days ago and i've done 2 valve adjusts with it. the fact that it's just a hair shorter than the original, with a smaller loop, allows it to get under the cat, which i was surprised to see. (it's close, but it fits). it also feels and looks superior to the original too. nice work glenn!

marcesq 05-22-2002 03:24 PM

I saved the box as a display case that sits proudly on the work bench. :D

thastings 02-20-2004 04:46 AM

the Island911 is NOT a new design
 
To my surprise, I checked out this new Island911 and found that is is exactly like the tool I have been using for the last 20 years, which is a carbon copy of the tool my father had been using since the 1950's to adj valves.
I paid about $3 plus $5 for a piece of stock .004.
Take the photo to your local auto parts store (no not a Walmart),
and ask the oldest guy behind the counter if he has a tool that looks like it.
OR......go to that OLD garage, owned by someone that worked on OLD cars (50's, 60's) and see if you can talk them out of one of those OLD tools, 'cause the new wrench-turnin' kids don't want those old tools.
I bet that a Snap-on dealer etc has them in stock.
And to think of all of those tools I've seen at yard sales for $0.25 and laughed at. I will now start looking for them as I follow my wife around every roadside yard sale in Pa.
I may even be able to convince my brother, a Class A machinist, with a big shop full of tools, to make a few, if there is a big demand.
Once you use 1 of these you will NEVER go back to the P-213.

Schrup 02-20-2004 05:03 AM

Re: the Island911 is NOT a new design
 
Quote:

Originally posted by thastings
I may even be able to convince my brother, a Class A machinist, with a big shop full of tools, to make a few, if there is a big demand.
Once you use 1 of these you will NEVER go back to the P-213.

There are at least thirty people on this board that want one, myself included. Here is the second of two threads expessing interest.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/140362-wtb-island-style-valve-adjustment-feeler-gauge.html?highlight=Island

RickM 02-20-2004 05:13 AM

Can we see a pic of the "old" tool?

thastings 02-20-2004 05:31 AM

Well I guess I could photo it for you , BUT it looks just like the island911 tool pictured above.
I am checking online to see if any tool makers still carry that style. Snap-On has a flat one for $18 but that is way to much.

RickM 02-20-2004 05:50 AM

Thanks

stefang 02-20-2004 06:20 AM

Count me in too.

Stef

Superman 02-20-2004 06:25 AM

Me too, but I'm not sure if Glenn is going to go there again. If he does, I'm in.

Doug Zielke 02-20-2004 06:43 AM

Re: the Island911 is NOT a new design
 
Quote:

Originally posted by thastings
To my surprise, I checked out this new Island911 and found that is is exactly like the tool I have been using for the last 20 years, which is a carbon copy of the tool my father had been using since the 1950's to adj valves.
Nobody around here claimed the island911® Valve Adjustment Tool is a "new design".

Do a search....you'll find the whole thing started at one of our bull sessions at John Walkers shop in Seattle. John had been using that type of tool for years, and we all wanted to get one. It seems they were NLA from most of the major suppliers.

So the good guy that he is, Glenn (aka, island911) made up (2) batches of the tools on his own nickle, and sold them to any and all. I gave my P-213 away shortly afterwards.

I think Glenn is out of the manufacturing business (for now), so if you have one of the tools, you're one of the lucky ones.
Thank you Glenn, and John Walker!

scottb 02-20-2004 07:20 AM

Maybe if we ask Glenn realllllllyyyyy nicely (and throw lots of money at him), he'll do another production run. :D

john walker's workshop 02-20-2004 07:34 AM

you have the pictures, so how difficult would it be to bend up a strip of metal and fashon a sliding collar. the long gauge stock is readily available on the snapon, mac, cornwell trucks.

thastings 02-20-2004 08:08 AM

Not hard for me, but thats because my brother has a machine shop (chevy race car work). But why make them when they are still available for a couple dollars.
My brother and I are now searching for a source and I will let you know the results. If not found, maybe I can come up with something as good, and knowing my brother, something even better, since he has just finished adjusting one bank of valves on my 911. Guess what he did to my 12 yr old, new, P-213 after 1 valve, thats right, I had to dig it out of the trash. Guess what he pulled out of his toolbox to finish with?.......

john walker's workshop 02-20-2004 08:15 AM

more power to you if you can find one. there was quite a search for a source when i first posted about the tool, but baum tools quit stocking them, and all the tool truck guys couldn't find them either. i used to buy them from mac tools, and sell them to customers cheap, but that source dried up too.

Decolliber 02-20-2004 08:33 AM

island - I bought one of these from you over a year ago. Is this the same one, or has it changed? It was not clear to me whether the design chnage you mention is to the one you sold before or the previous version that you adpated for 911s.

Mark Wilson 02-20-2004 08:51 AM

Island is focusing on family and health issues of late. Doesn't allow a lot of time for the board. Best wishes to him.

justesen 02-20-2004 10:11 AM

Can anyone tell me the overall length of this tool? From the back of the finger loop to the tip of the tool?

TKS

JJ

thastings 02-20-2004 10:18 AM

It is about 4".

justesen 02-20-2004 10:36 AM

Thanks thastings for the help.

JJ

banjomike 02-20-2004 11:23 AM

Oh man I really would have loved to have had one of these a few weeks ago. No offense the the one sold on this site was really awful. I had to bend it just to get it to fit down in there. The blade that was in it initially was not hardened so I bent the tool straight and then ben the blade 90 deg. After I had mangled that blade I replaced it and found that the replacement blades were harded and very brittle. So I bent the tool again, but I screwed up and it bent where the bolt holes were so I had to hammer it flat and bend it again. Eventually I got it to work but I bet I spent 30-40minutes messing with the tool instead of adjusting valves. I guess I'll have to find a SnapOn truck before I do this next time.

vash 02-20-2004 11:47 AM

isnt the snap on version too long to work around in our engine compartment?

thastings 02-20-2004 12:15 PM

yes.
Bending it does not work, BUT what if you cut it off at 4", weld it, hell even duct tape the 2 sides together at the cut end. The slider (there are 2 of them, since this tool is designed to hold 2 feeler gauges) will still keep the blade in place
AND....
you now have 2 of these little guys. It might even work better since you will not have the finger loop to work around.
Interesting.........................


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