BRAID 17" Fuchs Replica Wheels. Input Requested.

[PcarPhil]

Chad there are pics of 9x17 +15 TruDesign wheels with 255/40/17 tires on page 2 of my build thread:

My 1977 911 S widebody backdate project

Yes the ride height is high along with minimal negative camber... but you get the idea.

[KTL]

Originally Posted by Kaefer

Kevin,

Do you happen to have a pic of this? This is basically 10x17 -43 (!!!) ET with 275/40/17 tire. This setup puts the outer wheel lip 3mm past the original 11x15 -27 ET RSR setup.

Also how much negative camber were you running with this test fitment?

Thanks for the info,

No problem. I'll take a picture for you when I get home. The picture will be a bit funky because my car is on dollies with no engine and crapload of stuff on top of it- pretty embarrassing.

It's a dedicated race car so the camber is at least -2.5. I'll plumb bob it to see where its at w/out engine right now. I was quite surprised that the tire fit inside the flare with the 49mm spacer combo. Maybe my flares were widened a bit more than typical when the SC-930 modification was done?

Here's some pictures with just the single spacers on there. So you can see there's a good bit more room to push the wheel outboard.







Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying I race the car with the 28+21 spacer combo. I finally got my '87 back together and when I tried to install the factory Porsche alloy nuts on the rear, my studs were too longback there. So I had to pirate some open steel lugs from the racecar. I simply put the spacers on the racecar because I needed to make the closed-end aluminum lugnuts fit on the very long 100mm studs.

[PcarPhil]

Kevin,

Don't worry about taking additional pics. I can see what I need to see from the pics above.

I'm not so sure you'd want that wheel/tire combo spaced out any more. If you did you may start rubbing under full compression. Perhaps another 10mm or so but that's it before you would probably start running into rubbing issues.

Just my $0.02. Nice car BTW!

[brentrussell]

I would take 40 wheels of mixed sizes.
17x8
17x9
17x9.5
17x11
Happy with offsets you have mentioned according to fitments and experience.

Regards

Brent

Originally Posted by Kaefer

Hey guys,

I've been crunching more wheel specs for a couple buddies putting together widebody cars. Here's today's numbers:

Size and offset

8x17 +30
9x17 +15
9.5x17 +19
10x17 -15
11x17 0

Ideally additional mounting depth for big brakes (similar to the 951 and 9" 930 wheels, but deeper) would be designed in. Maybe 12mm of additional depth.

So... is anyone here interested in wheels with the above specs? It will probably take a first run of ~40 or so wheels for Braid to commit to making them.

Please keep in mind I have no affiliation with any wheel manufacturers. I'm just trying to help.

[s5uewf]

I have a 1988 930 and am looking for a 17 inch wheel that fills the wheel well and will also allow me to mount without using the rear spacer, for a deeper dish. Will the below 11 inch wheel fit in this way? Or, will I still need to use spacers?


8x17 +30
9x17 +15
9.5x17 +19
10x17 -15
11x17 0

[redstrosekNic]

Originally Posted by Elombard

Its a small market but 9s and 10s or 11s that fit an SC or carrera converted to turbo flares would be nice. - no spacers.

This would be great

[KTL]

Originally Posted by Kaefer

Kevin,

Don't worry about taking additional pics. I can see what I need to see from the pics above.

I'm not so sure you'd want that wheel/tire combo spaced out any more. If you did you may start rubbing under full compression. Perhaps another 10mm or so but that's it before you would probably start running into rubbing issues.

Just my $0.02. Nice car BTW!

No problem. Wasn't planning to actually race with the 49mm of spacer. I was just surprised that the stack of spacers actually fit and didn't cause significant interference with the fender flare.

Thanks for the compliment. Undergoing a slantnose/934 adaptation for the front end to improve some aero. So hopefully it'll turn out OK

[Plavan]

I would buy a two 17x10 -15 & two 17x9 +15..... Then after confirming everything works like it should on the race track, buy another set.

Is this still a possibility?

[PcarPhil]

Hey there Pelicans - here are what I believe to be my final thoughts on the subject of 17" wheels. YMMV. No guarantees on fitment implied! However I am trying to help so here goes...

1. Add 15 mm of increased mounting pad depth for big brakes (additional caliper overhang clearance in pic below). If the wheels are designed properly this will not affect overall wheel offsets (however wheel faces could be pushed out 15 mm to make up for the 15 mm of additional clearance on the backsides of the wheels. This could make the wheel appearance 'less deep' however visually the 10" and 11" wheels will still have plenty of depth.



2. Suggested widths and offsets:

8" +30 (911 F + R, late 930 front, early 930 front retaining factory 21 mm spacers, 944 F + R, 914 F + R). May need to replace metal strut boots with Bilstein-Febi rubber accordian boots.

9" +12 (G series 911 rear, early 930 front minus factory spacers, widebody RSR 911 front, 944 rear). Minor bumper trimming may be required for front fitment depending on ride height.

10" -26 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 10" wheel outer lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed. Inner clearance is same as 9x16 +15 Fuchs with 28 mm factory rear spacers.

11" -13 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 11" outer wheel lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender (the 11" -13 outer wheel lip sits in the same spot as the 10" -26 outer wheel lip). The inside wheel lip will sit ~1" closer to the suspension vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed.

Feel free to check my math. My offset calculations are based on personal experience, OEM Fuchs sizes/offsets, 21mm front 28mm rear 930 spacer sizes, and the additional outer lip step that is absent on OEM Fuchs wheels. Please note I don't like the -27 offset of the 11x15 Fuchs when used with 17" diameter wheel sizes. The offsets on the 10" and 11" wheels give ~0.55" of additional outer fender clearance vs. the -27 ET of the 11x15 Fuchs wheels.

Example: Here's a 10x16" -15 ET BZ wheel in RSR finish. The wheel center location of the 10x17 -26 ET will look very similar but with an additional 15 mm of brake clearance.


3. Other suggested custom sizes and offsets:

7 +30 (911 F + R, 914 F + R)
9.5 +19 (G series 911 rear, widebody 911 front) Verburg spec
10 +15 (911 ST rear) Plavan spec

4. One last thing - no paint in the lug holes! Block off the lug holes with lugnuts during the painting process so the mounting surface is bare.

I hope this info helps some folks with getting good fitment on their cars. If so make sure you post pics!

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by Kaefer

Hey there Pelicans - here are what I believe to be my final thoughts on the subject of 17" wheels. YMMV. No guarantees on fitment implied! However I am trying to help so here goes...

1. Add 15 mm of increased mounting pad depth for big brakes (additional caliper overhang clearance in pic below). If the wheels are designed properly this will not affect overall wheel offsets (however wheel faces could be pushed out 15 mm to make up for the 15 mm of additional clearance on the backsides of the wheels. This could make the wheel appearance 'less deep' however visually the 10" and 11" wheels will still have plenty of depth.



2. Suggested widths and offsets:

8" +30 (911 F + R, late 930 front, early 930 front retaining factory 21 mm spacers, 944 F + R, 914 F + R). May need to replace metal strut boots with Bilstein-Febi rubber accordian boots.

9" +12 (G series 911 rear, early 930 front minus factory spacers, widebody RSR 911 front, 944 rear). Minor bumper trimming may be required for front fitment depending on ride height.

10" -26 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 10" wheel outer lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed. Inner clearance is same as 9x16 +15 Fuchs with 28 mm factory rear spacers.

11" -13 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 11" outer wheel lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender (the 11" -13 outer wheel lip sits in the same spot as the 10" -26 outer wheel lip). The inside wheel lip will sit ~1" closer to the suspension vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed.

Feel free to check my math. My offset calculations are based on personal experience, OEM Fuchs sizes/offsets, 21mm front 28mm rear 930 spacer sizes, and the additional outer lip step that is absent on OEM Fuchs wheels. Please note I don't like the -27 offset of the 11x15 Fuchs when used with 17" diameter wheel sizes. The offsets on the 10" and 11" wheels give ~0.55" of additional outer fender clearance vs. the -27 ET of the 11x15 Fuchs wheels.

Example: Here's a 10x16" -15 ET BZ wheel in RSR finish. The wheel center location of the 10x17 -26 ET will look very similar but with an additional 15 mm of brake clearance.


3. Other suggested custom sizes and offsets:

7 +25 (911 F + R, 914 F + R)
9.5 +19 (G series 911 rear, widebody 911 front) Verburg spec
10 +15 (911 ST rear) Plavan spec

4. One last thing - no paint in the lug holes! Block off the lug holes with lugnuts during the painting process so the mounting surface is bare.

I hope this info helps some folks with getting good fitment on their cars. If so make sure you post pics!

Great information Scott. I'll pass along to the factory. We are inching closer.

[Plavan]

Anything new to report? I need 17" wheels in 17x9 and 17x10 VERY soon. I'm afraid I'm getting ready to order from another source (But I don't want to!)

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by Plavan

Anything new to report? I need 17" wheels in 17x9 and 17x10 VERY soon. I'm afraid I'm getting ready to order from another source (But I don't want to!)

Development is moving along Plavan, all be it somewhat slowly. We are waiting for renderings to see what the wheel will look like before pulling the trigger. Best guess right now is wheels start shipping in June.

[Plavan]

Thanks for the update and keeping us in the loop.

[BRAIDusa]

The New 17" BZ Classic for Porsche. Coming soon to a BRAID dealer near you.


7x17 et+39





9.5x17 et+19




Other widths and offsets will be offered too of course.

[Plavan]

Very cool.

[alterednines]

For the love of God please 9 and 11 x 17 for turbo or turbo bodied 74 to 89!

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by alterednines

For the love of God please 9 and 11 x 17 for turbo or turbo bodied 74 to 89!

I'm not sure if god will have any input but I;m pretty sure we will have you covered.

[BRAIDusa]

Here are some color images of the 17" BZ prototype.

[Plavan]

Me likey. I'm just waiting for my offset/width- wallet is ready

[BRAIDusa]

Originally Posted by Plavan

Me likey. I'm just waiting for my offset/width- wallet is ready

7x17 et+39
8x17 et+21
9.5x17 et+19
11x17 et+00