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TibetanT 09-27-2012 09:40 PM

Not trying to rain on the parade, but seriously think about this purchase!

Be ready with very deep pockets to restore IMHO.

Good luck.

Jim Sims 09-27-2012 09:51 PM

The pruning shears in the front trunk are a nice touch. Are they a Texas kill switch?:D

Unless there is some special provenance, it's a $1500 parts car.

Matt Monson 09-27-2012 09:53 PM

Get the type number off the engine. A certain kind of special 2.7l was mechanical injection. I'm just saying. And rusty '65 chassis with no engine and no gearbox are trading hands and shipping to the motherland for $5-10k. Ask over on the early S registry and you might find very different valuations over there than here.

bassam 09-27-2012 10:09 PM

Matt, I appreciate the advice, I will try over there. I'm just trying to see if that car is worth saving. My neighbor thought it was an S (he doesn't know much about Porsches) and asked for my input. I'm not an expert on the subject either, I just love early cars and was happy to help. I appreciate all the advice I got here and appreciate the sense of humor as well, especially the Texas kill switch one lol.

cdrik915 09-28-2012 12:04 AM

Motor cover seems to be green.


2.4 E ???

jsoderbe 09-28-2012 01:10 AM

Looks like aluminum stacks, that might make it a 2.2 E. Anyway, I would buy it in a heartbeat, no matter how bad it was. $7500 might seem to be a lot of money, but figure $4k for a 2.2E that turns, and maybe 5-10k for a 1965 911 body with identity and trans. Sounds like a deal to me!

But I would negotiate, $5k is way better than $7.5k!


Regards,

Johan

javadog 09-28-2012 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassam (Post 7002187)
My neighbor thought it was an S (he doesn't know much about Porsches)

No, they didn't make an S that early.

This is not a car for someone that doesn't know anything about Porsches. To bring this one back will take a lot of money, probably more than the $70k mentioned earlier, if it's done right. And, the engine would still be the wrong one. Perhaps the gearbox is wrong, too. There's really not enough information to know much about this car.

The motor numbers you've been posting are all casting numbers and don't mean much. If you do a search here, you'll find a couple pictures showing where the engine serail and type numbers are located. Those would helpa a great deal, as would the transmission numbers, which are stamped on the bottom of the case.

JR

Beschleunigt 09-28-2012 07:46 AM

You guys do realize that this is a 65 911, not a 75 or an 85... The question shouldn't be whether this is a good deal at this price (try finding another one for that price), but whether or not this guy wants to take on this big of a project. We all know that if this car was listed on here for sale it would be sold within a day. There is a huge market for these early cars even without numbers matching drivetrain (think vintage racing eligibility). If I were in this guys position it wouldn't even be a question, I would find a way to buy it.

zithlord 09-28-2012 08:13 AM

No, no, no, this is a 66 model car, produced in late 65. Do not confuse with a genuine 65 modell( produced up until aprox 302000 july 65) It also have a 66 paint tag. Redbook etc give info on production year, not model year. Those who what to read about this and the confirmation from the factory, go to the 911sreg forum and search 65 66 transition.

Beschleunigt 09-28-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

No, no, no, this is a 66 model car, produced in late 65. Do not confuse with a genuine 65 modell( produced up until aprox 302000 july 65) It also have a 66 paint tag. Redbook etc give info on production year, not model year. Those who what to read about this and the confirmation from the factory, go to the 911sreg forum and search 65 66 transition.
That is good to know. That changes things a bit. I still don't think it is bad deal because of the rising value of SWB 911s but it will take more consideration. I would probably still buy it but I might be kind of crazy. :)

Daves911L 09-28-2012 09:41 AM

Well, the car is a horrible mess. It needs everything. The motor is obviously incorrect, most probably a 2.2 E. The seats are from a later car. Most of the gauges are wrong. There's a gaping hole cut in the roof. Wacky wheels. Ridiculous front/rear fiberglass bumpers and wings. There's going to be some rust repair for sure, but at least from the photos it looks like nothing abnormal.

But it still looks like a deal. There's nothing wrong that can't be fixed. These are simple cars with no electronics, not so many parts; something a regular guy can wrap his head around. If you are capable of doing this type of work yourself, you could come out well ahead. If you have to pay someone you'll be upside down, but still have a nice early 911, which at the present time anyway seem only to be going up in value.

I like it!

bassam 09-28-2012 10:25 AM

motor number 6200293

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348853111.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348853128.jpg

soren.911 09-28-2012 10:41 AM

engine is a 1970 2.2E

Daves911L 09-28-2012 10:44 AM

Well there you go! 911/01 makes it a 70/71 2.2 litre 911E motor (I assume that photo is from the topside, and is not the transmission type).

And by the way, paint code 6601 on the door jamb plate says that in spit of all the indignities suffered along the way, this old girl left Germany as a Slate Gray car.

john walker's workshop 09-28-2012 10:54 AM

rust, rust and more rust the deeper you dig. $3000 is realistic. free would be better, considering that you will have to put way more into it than it would be worth when it's restored. no room for profit. it's a quick flipper for sure. that's where the profit is.

Dave Colangelo 09-28-2012 10:58 AM

DO NO TURN THIS CAR UP, just look in the classifieds for minute. The long hoods are shooting up in price. 3 months ago there was a 67 chassis for sale on craigslist by me at home. it was rusted out had a trans but no engine. The guy wanted 5K for it, I was interested in it but dont have the garage space. 3 weeks later I saw the chassis up on ebay (bought by some one then posted on ebay) for 15K and it sold, I was shocked. If you can get the guy to 5K, buy it, it will be a great project. I agree that it will not be cheap but you will come out the other side with a very cool car. If you can do some of the work your self you will bring the price of restoration down. I say go for it I know I would. And MFI is so cool.

Regards
Dave

914agogo 09-28-2012 11:28 AM

:DHOLY CRAPOLA its got the matching 70S engine that goes to my car!!!!!!!!!

just kkkidding I wish...but that may hhhappen and someone ccould get lucky it has already hhhappen a few times on our forums....darn it I'm stuttterinng again
must be all the excitment.

seriously man I would buy it in a heart beat!


UPDATE...okay I'm full of it it is indeed a 70E engine, dont know how I got this confused
gotto lay down the pipe:D

was really wishing it was an S motor

914agogo 09-28-2012 11:31 AM

620 is a 70S engine not an E the green shroud is wrong for that engine however must have been replaced

RWebb 09-28-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 7002970)
rust, rust and more rust the deeper you dig. $3000 is realistic. free would be better, considering that you will have to put way more into it than it would be worth when it's restored. no room for profit. it's a quick flipper for sure. that's where the profit is.

Yes...

if your friend wants a project for "fun" then he might want to rescue this thing

if he wants a hotrod, he should buy a '78 and mod that to look like an early car - or start with a nice rigid 964

if he wants a daily driver then also buy a 1978-on

I cannot think of many reasons to buy this car at that price except as a public service

brother911S 09-28-2012 12:27 PM

65 911
 
the post tag says it is a Slate Grey car from the factory. The engine is a 69-71 911E with MFI. Chris


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