Backdating?

[Nick Triesch]

What is backdating and why do people do it? Will it hurt future value. If you put in a 993 motor would that be front dating?

[Nick Triesch]

I was kidding about the 993 motor in a 3.2 but really, what is back dating?

[OttoBob]

I believe it refers to changing things on your car to older more simpler versions, like removing the engine mounted fan blower for the heater system for example. Also, when a long hood is placed on a short hood car is another example. My car is a 1987, and I'm doing some things to make the car lighter and simpler. I'm not sure if removing the A/C is considered backdating, but I did it and consider it so.

[pcarhiway]

Introducing "Oslo" my 73 RS backdated 1986 Carrera

[Nick Triesch]

Ok, I see. I know that there are a lot of 911 cars in America but won't backdating hurt a cars value overall? I know original cars are Important to me.

[timmy2]

Any car that I would backdate would be something that has already lost it's originality through a blown engine or track use etc where you aren't preserving a car, you are making it the way you want it to be. Very much a US thing to make clones of cars you could never afford if they were original, but are attainable copies for the look, style and feel with some modification.

[blowsupgoats]

Backdating is the act of taking a perfectly good car and chopping it up to make it look older, to satisfy one's pretentious insecurity. Just my opinion. But unless you're wiling to spend 100k, the car will never be "right", and even then you'll devalue the car and eat the investment.

[NYNick]

pure blather...

it's your car, do what you want to it...

who cares what everybody else thinks...

and if you're worried about value, remember this: life is short, Porsches are fast.

go for it.

nick

[blowsupgoats]

^^^ nah, have some respect for a fine automobile. It will be around longer than you'll live; don't butcher it because you can't afford the car you really want. People are just going to laugh at a bad backdate/update job anyway, and like it or not 99%+ are bad.

[blowsupgoats]

Drinkin' the Koolaid and laughin' all day long at goofball cars...

[Rot 911]

Blow, you have no idea what you are talking about. Well done backdating of an SC or Carrera has little, if any, effect on resale value. Reason being, is most buyers see that as a plus. Of course there will always be those who want original, low miles, SC's and Carreras and are willing to pay a premium. But if you are selling a higher mileage car, condition is everything. Backdated or not.

[blowsupgoats]

Most buyers are chumps. Not so long ago they were buying slantnose conversions too - chopping up original cars is never the way to go. If you don't like it, sell it and buy something else. Hell, get a kit car or something.

[timchar]

Goat, to each his own....Take a stock 86 coupe say 20 K value...backdate it with just the basics, longhood, bumpers, lights etc...now you will likely have a 30-40k car....Not sure how you figure that devaluation? I will trade my stock 86 coupe right now for a backdate....Watch and learn...Tim

[blowsupgoats]

I'm not trolling. But consider all the cars that in the recent past were "updated" to make money. Don't you think you're doing the same thing - chopping up a car to make a few bucks now, while in the long run spoiling the car for the enthusiast? And don't tell me the work is being done well - it simply isn't - most of the modified cars out there are poorly finished and probably not even safe!

[timchar]

It's hard to talk sense to the senseless....your koolaid must be spiked with caffeine, you're all over the place posting nonsense....Tim

[HelmetHead]

Singer has a waiting list for backdated/updated cars at prices +three times what original long hood cars sell for, and I'm pretty sure those are butchered 964's

[Mark Morrissey]

Backdate? I prefer the term modify. We know that's been going on forever

[will hung]

There is very little to no "chopping up" when somebody backdates a car. There are parts that would allow somebody to backdate their car and if need be reverse the modifications to stock without the need to weld. As the value of long hoods go stratospheric, there are many collectors that would pay a premium for a backdate so that they can have their cake and eat it too.

Having said that, the values of SC's and Carreras are only going to go up, and as they go up, the high dollar sales will go to low mileage, 100% original cars. But there are very few of those around.

[Daves911L]

To an extent, I've gotta agree with the violent detonator of goats. Dressing up a late model car as an early car does not make it an early car. And it was just the same back in the '70s and '80s when everybody was going the other way. We all laugh today at some ratty '70 E tarted up as a 930. Some day people will laugh at an '88 3.2 masquerading as a '73 RS. These things are all just fads. Styles come and ago. Updating, backdating, its all the same. But its your car, so do what you want, and don't worry what others think. Like Mark says, the term should just be "modify" and people have been doing that ever since the second car was built.
DG

[NYNick]

The brand is full of purists...hell, I've been one for years.

If you want to preserve and protect, knock your lights out. There are plenty of Porsches out there in nitrogen filled bags in garages with 2,000 miles on them, that are trailered to the shows to gather ribbons and oooh and ahhs. There is certainly room for them in the collector car hobby, and I say, hooray for them! God, I'd die to own a few Spyders or Speedsters.

On the other hand, many of us want to DRIVE our cars, some harder than others, and who say Porsches are meant to be driven. Some cars were made in much greater numbers. I currently subscribe to that theory with the 911's we're discussing here. Maybe you don't. Doesn't matter.

Funny. The older you get, the more you appreciate what you have, and what it's for.

Life is short. Spend time with your kids. Play golf(or whatever). And drive your Porsches!

Nick