Roll up window mechanism help!

Sunroof · 08-23-2002, 01:02 PM

Of all things..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went to roll up my window at lunch to day and after applying some force thinking it was a dry tight channel, I hear a slight crunch and the window handle now rotates freely. Window can be manipulated by hand now.

Without taking apart the door, based on what just happened can anyone with similar experience give me a quick diagnosis?

Can it be that old window pivot just blew? Or is this more characteristic of a broken regulator? Are the steel pivot spring retainers worth the price?

I have taken the door panel off before (drivers side) to repair the door knob mechnism, but I wonder how tough it is to r&r the pivot or regulator itself.

Any help is always appreciated...........

Bob
73.5 T

silverc4s · silverc4s's Garage

There is an aluminium pivot spring retainer that is a chronic failure on the early manual regulators. Replacement steel ones can be purchased, probably from Wayne, evennn

It is a real PITA job, don't envy you. I think one of my knuckles started bleeding just thinking about it.

Sunroof · 08-23-2002, 07:20 PM

thanks bill...
any helpful hints ? does the doorglass and window frame have to come out?

Bob

silverc4s · silverc4s's Garage

No as I recall (it was some time ago, sorry) you can remove the regulator with the window still in the door, but it is a beach to do. maybe there is a tech note somewhere on this job. I will look around 7 see what I can find.
Did you find a source for the steel retainers? I recall there a couple of different types, so you may have to get yours OUT before you know what goes back IN..

PRE-H20 · PRE-H20's Garage

does anyone know if our kind host carries these little part?

my window is busted and these lil piece here is the culprit.... pivot spring retainer!

thanks.....

911pcars · 07-25-2005, 11:54 AM

The reg. must come out of the door to repair it and for that to happen, the window must be separated from the regulator.

These pivot pins are offered in, as I recall, 4 flavors. You should match your old one with the correct replacement as the slot is oriented differently. BTW, the window currently working will soon exhibit the same symptoms shortly after you repair the broken one.

If you feel motivated, there's an updated manual regulator you can install. Supposedly better geometry. More info in a PCA Up-Fixin article.

Sherwood

PRE-H20 · PRE-H20's Garage

sherwood....

thanks for responding... yes the window is out, guts are sitting on the table, i am familiar with the 4 cousins..... i was wondering if pelican carries the lil boogers, i cant seem to find them on-line.

Evans, Marv · 07-25-2005, 02:40 PM

Bob:
It could be a couple of things. If the window track & regulator were pretty dry & rusty, they could have presented enough resistance to strip the splines in the window crank. If it is the pivot, it's best to take out the frame on the top of the door, window and regulator. You can order the pivot by comparing it with the pictures of the various pivots (mostly just two types) - or you can call & just tell them you need one parallel with the key (on the other side of the pivot) or perpendicular to it. Now, "while your're in there," you can lubricate the door & lock mechanisms, replace the felt in the channels of the window frames (if needed - I always spray it with silicone too before putting it back together) and clean the base of the window & lube it up before reassembly. It's pretty easy & an interesting project. Also, take the occasion to clean out the inside bottom of the door, clear out the weep holes & maybe treat any rust & POR15 the area.

MichiganMat · MichiganMat's Garage

This happened in my Targa, passenger side.

I went through a bunch of trouble to buy a used mechanism, had it shipped in, etc. Took off the door panel, removed the mechanism. A screw had some lose and the spring popped off. Put the screw back in, oiled it up, and it was as good as new.

Its a bit of a pain, but not impossible. Plenty of worthy "while you're in there" stuff to make it worth your while.

JV44HeinzBar · JV44HeinzBar's Garage

Hi,
I just had the driver's side window crank die on me. It spins freely now in either direction w/o window glass moving at all.

From my point of view, I don't have a clue what could be the problem, so I figure taking the panel off to look inside is my best bet. So, can anyone give me the steps needed to remove the inner door panel to access the winding mechanism for the window? What tools are needed and what should I be looking for as a problem part?

Sincerely,
Brent

911pcars · 07-04-2006, 09:38 PM

Brent,
Refer to the previous posts Re: pivot pin. It sounds like yours (or parts of it) are at the bottom of the door cavity.

Sherwood

Evans, Marv · 07-04-2006, 09:59 PM

Brent,
You didn't say what year your car is, but since it has the crank mechanism, it is probably similar to all of the other crank mechanisms. Start by taking the top trim piece off (probably two screws), remove the arm rest (allen wrenches from the bottom), pop the door pull off of it's interior ball & pop the door panel off. After that, you can see into the door cavity where the window & mechanism is and it's pretty straight forward to remove the window & regulator - and you'll see what has to be fixed when you have the regulator out.

DarrylD · 07-04-2006, 10:17 PM

Stoddards offers a window regulator rebuild service with fast turn-around. 1-800-342-1414

JV44HeinzBar · JV44HeinzBar's Garage

Hi,
Sorry about not posting my type. She's a 1970 911 T. The job sounds relatively straight forward. Only a one question; how does one remove the crank? I see the other steps but no mention of actually removing the crank.

Since I'll have the door panel off, maybe you folks can help me w/ couple other problems.

The second problem just happened last week. When I lock the door from the inside, exit the car and shut the door, the lock pops up into the open position. Odd, I know.

The 3rd problem is door alignment. It seems that the door is sagging slightly. Can these doors be adjusted or is it some type of mechanism that is failing?

Thanks again,
Brent

JV44HeinzBar · JV44HeinzBar's Garage

Hi,
I managed to get part of the door off today, but unfortunately, I didn't have a set of metric hex drivers for remove the arm rest. However, I was able to grab hold of the regulator and nocticed that part of it moves seperately from the main body. Is this an indication of the broken pin?

Another question, since I was unable to remove the arm rest, how do I get the regulator out once I get the correct hex driver set? It doesn't look like the regulator can be removed based on the size of the door opens that I was able to see. Am I missing something where the metal portion of the door can be removed? Does anyone have a diagram that may shed some light on my newbie brain?

Sincerely,
Brent

Pat S · 07-09-2006, 04:47 PM

Brent,
Once you get the panel off there are a few hex head bolts that hold the regulator in place. If you remove them and push the glass up so it's out of the way, you can drop and turn the regulator so that it comes out the large hole in the bottom. It does fit, but takes some work.

Also, I just went through this and decided to make my own pin instead of buying one. You can see the info here:
$3.51 Widow Regulator Pivot Pin