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june82000 01-29-2014 06:00 PM

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wayner 01-29-2014 06:30 PM

Looks darned good!

Check out the rear parcel tray next

GaryR 01-29-2014 06:46 PM

It really doesn't look all that bad on the lower parts of the car, very strange!

ironhorse 01-29-2014 07:33 PM

Looks good so far. If you're just planning for a decent daily driver, it looks like you're still in the running.

Move rearward and post some pix of the rear suspension pick up points next ... that will give you (and us) a better idea of what you're up against.

june82000 01-29-2014 08:26 PM

Um, I've peeked at the rear underside - it ain't as pretty... Hopefully not beyond repair!

june82000 01-29-2014 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner (Post 7882904)
Looks darned good!

Check out the rear parcel tray next

Rear parcel tray? The spot above the rear seat; under the back window?

june82000 01-29-2014 09:01 PM

Curious if any of you have checked this out, or if you know who this is. I've going to be in for some longitudinal repairs on this one.

Darryl's Porsche 912 Project Rust Repair Pages

http://www.darrylsgarage.com/912/912rust.htm

irl 01-29-2014 10:58 PM

not looking so bad. check out this area.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391064756.jpg

jsoderbe 01-29-2014 11:28 PM

I agree, doesnt look too bad so far. It looks like the sunroof drain lines clogged at some point, meaning the water found other ways down. Pretty common, I have seen it before, but usually the C pillars rust out first. Maybe the car was parked leaning forward? For the water to run down the A pillars.

There are many places where rust can be hidden, but since the bottom is galvanized it MIGHT be in better shape than what the roof suggest. So carry on with taking it apart!

I know a lot of the guys here think this is a parts car, but it is still a Porsche and parting out has to always be the very last option. I think many that parted out cars like this will be very sorry they did so, in the longer term....


Regards,

Johan

Flojo 01-29-2014 11:44 PM

hey, june82000, looks OK, nothing to worry about.
clean up the spots, rustprevent them, maybe some bits of optical refurbishment, easy.

strive on!

wayner 01-30-2014 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by june82000 (Post 7883114)
Rear parcel tray? The spot above the rear seat; under the back window?

Yes, that is a notoriously bad spot, but only if the window leaks.

(Rear)
If that is the case the migration path is onto the parcel tray, and then on to the back seat buckets, and eventually on to the rear floor. All those areas rust until a hole forms in the parcel tray letting the water escape there.

(Front)
If your leaks are confide to the A pillar area, then the path is towards the dash and foot pedal area. If you are unlucky it will also make its way down the inside of the door post (the section where the hinges mount), and that piece will not be sound.

(Rockers)
The other area is directly in front of the rear wheels. The back of the door latch post, and particularly the bottom of the door latch post where it meets the rockers as shown in the post above. By the time you see it up top, the insides are usually gone. An easy way to inspect that is to remove the rear wheel and look at the area below the base of the door latch panel. (I use a cel phone camera to look where my head won't fit)

THe vertical piece that people call the kidney bowl is shown in my build thread picture below. It ties the chassis to the rocker panel. (Note that there are two layers of rocker panel, and inner that you can't see, and an outer.

Reach up in there and see if it is solid. My 73 was not bad because the kidney bowl was galvanize as is your 74, (I consider this picture not bad since I have seen a lot worse), earlier cars are usually even more of a mess up in there. Mine was a mess everywhere else around that piece though, including inner rockers that had been poorly replaced by the last owner.

Hopefully yours is solid, but these pics will show you where to look. It is the same area that IRL shows in his pic above.

BEFORE
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AFTER
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dave 911 01-30-2014 05:27 AM

Folks have saved cars that look a LOT worse than yours is looking so far! I say go for it, middies are great, underrated cars, and while they may not be worth as much as earlier or later models, they will still appreciate and always be 911s!

Very cool on the MH53's. How old are those airframes now? I was an S-3 NFO back in the late 80's/early 90's and the MH53's had been around awhile back then even. I was thinking the Navy had replaced them w/ one of the many variants of H-60's.

The 53's are one of my favorite helicopters. Awesome aircraft.

june82000 01-30-2014 06:36 AM

Good morning everyone. Thank you for the support on this forum. I'll say it again that this is the best forum I've been a part of thus far. It was 3 degrees when I woke up this morning so moving a little slow but I'm warming up the garage and plan to move toward the back of the car to get a more informed look at the corrosion damage that I know is there. From what I've been reading and hearing from a lot of different sources, darn near everything can be fixed if you have the desire and stamina to do so. I will post some pictures of what I find tonight but expect to see some inner and outer rocker damage as well as longitudinal damaage back by the 'kidney bowl' - forgive me if I said that wrong as I am working off of my phone right now. More to come and thank you all! PS - My name is Dave and I am in Virginia near Gloucester/Yorktown/Williamsburg/Newport News area...

june82000 01-30-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dave 911 (Post 7883374)
Folks have saved cars that look a LOT worse than yours is looking so far! I say go for it, middies are great, underrated cars, and while they may not be worth as much as earlier or later models, they will still appreciate and always be 911s!

Very cool on the MH53's. How old are those airframes now? I was an S-3 NFO back in the late 80's/early 90's and the MH53's had been around awhile back then even. I was thinking the Navy had replaced them w/ one of the many variants of H-60's.

The 53's are one of my favorite helicopters. Awesome aircraft.

Hi Dave, these MH-53s are from the early 1980s. there are just two squadrons of them in the entire Navy. The mission has changed from heavy lift ops to mine countermeasures or MCM. I am new to this platform but have been told that the ratio is about 90 maintenance man-hours per flight hour. For everyone else here, just imagine driving your car for one hour then having to work on it for 90 hours. I was an enlisted AME for 10 years if you remember what that is and then crossed over to the aircraft maintenance officer side about 13 years ago. I can no longer turn wrenches on these as management so I relish my time doing what I truly love at home on projects like this. Thank you for you service as well! I do remember the 'Hoover'...

MichiganMike 01-30-2014 07:05 AM

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bgyglfr 01-30-2014 07:15 AM

I'd love to see you get her back in shape. I agree that middies are great cars. They drive a lot more like an early car than most give them credit for. I might have missed it but do you have any idea on the condition of the motor? To me, the rust repair is inexpensive as long as you can do the work. It's hard to get around spending money on the motor. Personally, I think the 74 in particular is a steal of a car. Someone correct me if I'm wrong even though it has the infamous 2.7, Porsche didn't do the emissions changes (thermal reactors, 7 blade fan, etc) until 75 so you might still have a good motor there.

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GaryR 01-30-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by june82000 (Post 7883475)
Hi Dave, these MH-53s are from the early 1980s. there are just two squadrons of them in the entire Navy. The mission has changed from heavy lift ops to mine countermeasures or MCM. I am new to this platform but have been told that the ratio is about 90 maintenance man-hours per flight hour. For everyone else here, just imagine driving your car for one hour then having to work on it for 90 hours. I was an enlisted AME for 10 years if you remember what that is and then crossed over to the aircraft maintenance officer side about 13 years ago. I can no longer turn wrenches on these as management so I relish my time doing what I truly love at home on projects like this. Thank you for you service as well! I do remember the 'Hoover'...

You are correct Dave, there is nothing that "can't" be fixed/replaced so as long as you have the money, time, and ambition go for it! A lot of parts can be sourced here from people cutting up later model (read that as rust-free) tubs so always look before buying new. They will require a little more work/trimming to fit in some cases but it's only metal!

javadog 01-30-2014 07:24 AM

While you are poking around, take some aircraft stripper and remove some of the paint from the front of the tub. Anywhere on the vertical outer surface would be fine.

JR

june82000 01-30-2014 05:24 PM

Ok fellas, spent two or three hours poking around the rear underside of the car this morning. I took some pics and they didn't turn out as well as I'd hoped, but I'll post a few anyway. High points - the driver side of the car is worse than the passenger side. With exception of the area around the jack point, the outer rockers are pretty solid on both sides. The worst area by far is on the passenger side where the rear corner of the floor pan and inner rocker come together - pretty much toast and will need repair. Same on the passenger side, but not nearly as bad. The area around the suspension tube is still solid so I think this area will be ok. Package tray area and rear seat area are totally solid (minus the speaker holes someone decided would be a good idea!). With the exception of the area of the throttle/clutch/brake quadrant and the rear corners just mentioned, the floor pan is pretty solid so I'm thinking maybe just repair those areas vice a totally new floor pan. Not a huge deal, but the biggest disappointment of the day was after taking off the quarter window trim - underneath is pretty thin in some areas and will need partial replacement. I think the next logical step would be to go ahead and remove the windshield and rear window. If those are good then I will be very happy! Anyway, thanks for looking and as always feel free to comment.

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june82000 01-30-2014 05:25 PM

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