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AshEvan 02-01-2014 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bgyglfr (Post 7883528)
I'd love to see you get her back in shape. I agree that middies are great cars. They drive a lot more like an early car than most give them credit for. I might have missed it but do you have any idea on the condition of the motor? To me, the rust repair is inexpensive as long as you can do the work. It's hard to get around spending money on the motor. Personally, I think the 74 in particular is a steal of a car. Someone correct me if I'm wrong even though it has the infamous 2.7, Porsche didn't do the emissions changes (thermal reactors, 7 blade fan, etc) until 75 so you might still have a good motor there.

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Yes, 74 was on the 1st Middie, and no Thermal Reactors. Middies get a lot more appreciation across the pond, than here in the US, higher valuation as well. Based on pics it is in much better condition structurally than I would have suspected.

We are only the caretakers of these cars, until the next owners serves his/her term of ownership. I like the posture of "make um better than you found them" and if you can afford the time and money, bring them back to their former glory.

From my 74 to yours. Also look online for the 2.7 Registry.


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june82000 02-01-2014 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7887167)
You need to do more than reskin the roof. The "frame" needs to come out, it you are talking about the sunroof supporting structure. Plus, your A pillars are junk, your B pillars need help and the lockposts need to be replaced, too. You don't want to replace the upper surface and not address all of the problems underneath it.

I'd strip the tub completely first. Get all of the paint and bondo off so you can properly judge what you have. It's worse than it looks at present, that I can promise you. Then, learn in what order Porsche built the tub and consider starting with the major work first.

Got a rotisserie?

JR
Absolutely agree with you and yes sunroof frame to go of course. Yes, I will be acquiring a rotisserie, but not sure if I will buy or build.

june82000 02-02-2014 12:20 PM
I know, its not Porsche related but I took a day off from working on it in oder to straighten up the garage since the weather is so nice here. Also torqued down one of the 5.0 cylinder heads for my 66 Fastback. Performed a leak test on the cylinders with my Harbor Freight special cylinder leakage tester. Cylinders are all showing even readings in the green. :)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/03/a5e7eseg.jpg

bgyglfr 02-02-2014 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AshEvan (Post 7887214)
Yes, 74 was on the 1st Middie, and no Thermal Reactors. Middies get a lot more appreciation across the pond, than here in the US, higher valuation as well. Based on pics it is in much better condition structurally than I would have suspected.



We are only the caretakers of these cars, until the next owners serves his/her term of ownership. I like the posture of "make um better than you found them" and if you can afford the time and money, bring them back to their former glory.



From my 74 to yours. Also look online for the 2.7 Registry.





http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391277339.jpg



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391277393.jpg

Nice looking middie. My first 911 was almost a brown 75 targa. Ended up buying a 70T targa instead. Sold it for $7500. Still regret that one.

AshEvan 02-02-2014 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bgyglfr (Post 7889121)
Nice looking middie. My first 911 was almost a brown 75 targa. Ended up buying a 70T targa instead. Sold it for $7500. Still regret that one.

Thanks for kind comments. $7,500 for a 70T, how long ago did you sell it?

bgyglfr 02-02-2014 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AshEvan (Post 7889925)
Thanks for kind comments. $7,500 for a 70T, how long ago did you sell it?

I sold it about ten years ago. I paid $8k. I've been through several 911s since including middies, SCs, all the way up to 86. I've come to the conclusion that, for me, the older they are the more fun they are. Including the mid years. There's so much fuss about the early cars (myself included) because of the way they drive. IMHO the middies are the closest thing to the feel of an early car as you can get without spending the early car money. Once you are in the seat, they feel very similar to a lwb longhood. When you consider the seat of the pants drive vs budget, these are a steal of a car.

june82000 02-03-2014 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AshEvan (Post 7887214)
Yes, 74 was on the 1st Middie, and no Thermal Reactors. Middies get a lot more appreciation across the pond, than here in the US, higher valuation as well. Based on pics it is in much better condition structurally than I would have suspected.

We are only the caretakers of these cars, until the next owners serves his/her term of ownership. I like the posture of "make um better than you found them" and if you can afford the time and money, bring them back to their former glory.

From my 74 to yours. Also look online for the 2.7 Registry.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391277339.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391277393.jpg
Sorry for the delay in responding and thank you for posting pics of yours. I'm not typically a fan of brown cars, but I must say that the color looks great on this one! I appreciate the comments and I feel like this project will be an enjoyable one because in the end I will have a nice 911 that I can have fun driving in :) From the sound of it, you enjoyed yours which makes me feel better about the one I have. Thanks!

wayner 02-03-2014 05:33 AM
I just read where an all origin extremely low mileage 74 just sold for somewhere around $60k at auction!

GaryR 02-03-2014 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 7890047)
I just read where an all origin extremely low mileage 74 just sold for somewhere around $60k at auction!
Must have been RM Auction, was looking at one of my Classic Car mags this weekend and some totally ridiculous numbers were out there. $160K for an XKE, 300K for a 356, on and on..

82 SC 02-03-2014 06:18 AM
I have more rust on my old VW busses and I drive them around! LOL! You have some work to do but really not bad at all, have fun :)

june82000 02-03-2014 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 82 SC (Post 7890089)
I have more rust on my old VW busses and I drive them around! LOL! You have some work to do but really not bad at all, have fun :)
Thank You :)

Congrats on your recent purchase also - looks very nice! The ski racks make it look like it's getting ready to take flight. How does it handle in the snow?

Flojo 02-03-2014 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bgyglfr (Post 7889121)
Sold it for $7500.
:eek::eek::eek:

june82000 02-05-2014 05:26 AM
I'm starting on the roof replacement. It doesn't seem like it will be difficult per se; just time consuming. I'm sorry about the bad quality picture, but it shows where I've started unfolding the drip rail (aka rain gutter). The hardest part is getting it started initially. Other than that, the roof is held on by spot welds in the window frames, also visible in the picture.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/05/heqe5eme.jpg

javadog 02-05-2014 05:53 AM
What are your plans for the A and B pillars? I know you already have a skin but when the pillars have rot in them sometimes it is best to graft on a new roof with the old pillars still attached.

JR

june82000 02-05-2014 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7893616)
What are your plans for the A and B pillars? I know you already have a skin but when the pillars have rot in them sometimes it is best to graft on a new roof with the old pillars still attached.

JR
I have an entire roof including the pillars and I will perform the required repairs where they're needed using metal from the donor. I want to have as many options availabale as possible. At this point It's a better idea to leave my existing roof framework as much intact as possible instead of starting out with chopping it off right away. I believe my pillars will be good enough to work with once I get the outer skin removed. The back side of the pillars are solid as far as I can tell.

GaryR 02-05-2014 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7893616)
What are your plans for the A and B pillars? I know you already have a skin but when the pillars have rot in them sometimes it is best to graft on a new roof with the old pillars still attached.

JR
I agree, especially with the condition of those A-Pillars. That rain gutter is about 5 folds of metal IIRC, very complex. Seems like it would be a lot easier just to weld in that roof as a unit if the A-Pillars on the replacement extend down past the rotted out area of the one in place..

javadog 02-05-2014 07:17 AM
That's what I was thinking. Those A pillars look pretty bad and I'd expect they will be worse than what they look like on the outside. The rust on this car looks like it goes back a long time and it's been covered up in the past. I'd be curious to know the car's history, as it has a lot of rust in unusual spots, relatively speaking.

JR

june82000 02-05-2014 08:12 AM
Maybe I'm just totally wrong, but I don't think it's as complicated as you all might think. Once you remove the skin, you are dealing with 2 layers on the A-pillar; a front and back side. The drip rail is a single fold-over, not 5. Cutting out the bad section and replacing with new metal which I already have is much easier, and in my mind preferable to trying to graft on a roof from a different car.

Here's a picture of the pillar inside once the skin is off. Pretty basic really.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1391616716.jpg

Source: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/paint-bodywork-discussion-forum/787372-911-roof-replacement.html#post7818750

allaircooled 02-05-2014 08:59 AM
Start a thread on the paint and body work forum. 962porsche seems to be an expert on body work for these cars and he could help you with which is the best way to repair your roof with the donor section you have. I know you posted there but start a new thread. 962porsche will answer.

june82000 02-05-2014 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by allaircooled (Post 7893902)
Start a thread on the paint and body work forum. 962porsche seems to be an expert on body work for these cars and he could help you with which is the best way to repair your roof with the donor section you have. I know you posted there but start a new thread. 962porsche will answer.
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Originally Posted by 962porsche (Post 6272167)
when you change the roof you only want to remove the outter skin . so the car should not sag with just doing that
Thanks allaircooled :) , looks like I am already thinking along the same lines as 962porsche. :D


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