Some Rust Issues

[RichardNew]

I'm getting the rust taken car of on my 73.5. Ok - most of the rust. Keep in mind that this is really a good solid car but it is an early 911. I had a new owner tell me last night that he just bought an early 911 barn find that has no rust. My comment was "You just haven't found it yet."






This was caused by a rear window seal that dried out and allowed water to drip into the back seat area. I'm getting the rear shelf done as well as this seat area. We're going to use panels from Restoration Design to start the process. There's still a lot of fitting, cutting and welding that has to be done with these panels. Restoration Design must be a good product though because I heard no complaints about the quality of the rear shelf. This shop has done a lot of work for the Collier Collection so they understand perfect.

Richard Newton
Porsche Tech Stuff

[E Sully]

RD makes good replacement parts. My 73.5 rust is coming along. I've managed to get most of the sheet metal I need. I was fortunate to get a lot of the parts that aren't available aftermarket from sacrificial cars, before they became too valuable to cut up for parts anymore. Others I fabricated. I'm hoping the house renovations will be done in the next couple of months so I can get back to it this summer.
Best of luck with it. I may be biased, but I think the 73.5 is one of the best cars for street driving.

[RichardNew]

My 911is coming along nicely. The left hand seat is now in place.



The Restoration Design panels are pretty good. One thing people usually don't mention is how all these little brackets have to be removed from the original panel and then placed in the same exact location on the new panel.

Here's from the inside of the car.



I'm going to use sound deadener in the car as it goes back together. The days of being a semi-hot rod are over for the car. I think I might enjoy the quiet. I know my wife will.

I'm probably going to use Tony for the carpeting. Anyone have any other thoughts? I'm going original. Whatever that means.

Richard Newton

[RichardNew]

I stopped off to check on the car today. It's coming along nicely.







I know the shock tower reinforcements are not standard but they are Porsche parts that were actually used in the period. So - I decided what the h*ll. I'm putting them in because I like them. I don't need them - I just like them.

Richard Newton

[tdskip]

Thanks for posting, great pictures for those of use about to dive into to rear shelf repairs.

Looks like she is coming together nicely, keep us posted.

[RichardNew]

I ordered new seals for the rear quarter windows today. The one thing I've learned from this is that all of the rust was a result of leaks at either the rear window or the left side rear quarter window. There was no rust at all on the right side of the rear seat pan.

I knew from the beginning that I was going to have to replace the rear window seals. I've now decided to do the rear quarter window seals as well.

I'm also happy with the sheet metal from Restoration Design. The shop that is doing this work is also happy. As good as this sheet metal is though don't expect it to be plug and play. It took a really skilled fabricator to get it back to original. The shop does feel this is as good as it gets though.

Richard Newton

[JohnJL]

Tony is good with the upholstery. I have to get over to Restos shop...its 20 minutes from me. I did use o e of their headlight buckets in my 71.

[D@vid]

Richard,

I have exactly the same rust issue with my '73, is it necessary to remove the engine and gearbox to replace the rear seats, or can it be done from the inside?

[tdskip]

Bump as I am about to dive in and am hoping I don't need to pull the engine...

[RichardNew]

I don't see how you can do this job with the engine in place. I wouldn't weld back there with the engine and the fuel lines in place. It's not a big deal to remove the engine and tramsission as a single unit.

Here's the new Pelican Engine Bay Pad back in place. You'll also notice the engine is back in place.



Wayne will be happy to know my shop liked the pad. They said it was easy to put in place and it looks good.

And now we get to the floors.



This is why this stuff gets of expensive. While everything is out of the car we might as well - - -

Years ago I took all of the sound deadener out of the car. Track cars don't need sound deadener. Track cars like noise. Ok, at least I didn't mind the noise. Now though it's going back to the street just like the old horse put out to stud.

The trick is finding the almost correct stuff. Wurth has the good stuff but they don't sell it in the states. We're looking at the 3M material. Also a product made by DEI. I'll let you know which we decide.

Since I'm spending over $1,200 on the carpet kit $500 worth of sound mat shouldn't be a big deal. Oh well.

Richard Newton

[arrivederci]

I went through a similar saga (still not done) with my rear seats and shelf.

72 Rust Repair - long overdue update

I just ordered up a bunch of dynamat. They make two base butyl materials....a regular one (xtreme) and a lightweight one. I plan to use both depending on how much I think that area will transmit vibration. I will top that with 1/4" dynaliner closed cell foam, then an appbiz RS carpet kit. I hope to lose weight over the original factory setup...

[ganun]

I Dynamated and Dynapaded on top on the floor pans, did not do the rear seats areas, but just Dynamated the rear shelf , have to say it has made quite a difference, now it just makes the a/c and fresh air blower louder. lol
But with the windows up it is quiet and comfortable, but wit the the windows down its the old school sound of headers with and M&K. A Jekyl and Hyde sort of thing.
George

[RichardNew]

Things are coming along nicely. It's at the point where we're making decisions. "Should we do this now? Or, can it be done later?" Here's an example.



Actually this was an easy decision. The headliner had rotted out along the rusted body seam. The headliner is the same thing that VW used in their busses. Which the shop doing the work just happened to have in stock. They cut a new piece and used vinyl dye to match the stained color of the original headliner. This was one of those things that couldn't be postponed. The good part is we were able to maintain the original patina.



This is what an original floor looks like when you remove all the old sound deadener and glue. The next step will be to glue in the new sound deader. We expect the carpet to arrive on Friday.



I need your help here. I never thought this car had rear seat belts. Now that we've gotten everything cleaned up it seems we have threads for rear seat belt. Ok. Has anyone here ever see these rear seat belts?

Richard Newton

[RichardNew]

You have to check out the rust on arrivederci's 1972. I think you have bigger issues than I have. I'm ignoring a few of mine for the present. I don't want to take the front fenders off because I'm scared of what I might find. I have 2 small rust bubbles on the left front fender. You know what that means.

We also found some bubbles under the sill plate on the left side. It's time to stop for a while and drive this car. I'll deal with it next year.

'72 Rust

Richard Newton

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by RichardNew

Ok. Has anyone here ever see these rear seat belts?

Check the body section of this Porsche parts PDF.

MY PC is too slow at work to sniff- An ACER with 0.5 GB RAM.

http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/originalparts/usa/911_USA_70_73_KATALOG.pdf

[Discseven]

Originally Posted by RichardNew

I need your help here. I never thought this car had rear seat belts. Now that we've gotten everything cleaned up it seems we have threads for rear seat belt. Ok. Has anyone here ever see these rear seat belts?

Richard Newton

Richard... Nice project.

I used to have the belts. Took them out after my son didn't fit in the back.

[RichardNew]

I found out from Ed Mayo that this was a factory option back in the day. Anyone have any ideas about locating these belts?

Richard Newton

[JohnJL]

Our host carries them.

[Larry_Ratcliff]

Looks like nice work! I forget which parts on mine came from Stoddard and which came from Restoration Design but I was happy with the fitment on all of the parts. Good luck with your project.