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SpyderMike 09-11-2017 04:35 PM

Okay, first part after paint to go back on. Why the hood? Because I need to come up with a latching system. I need the fender out of the way so that I can look down the end. I also have to work a few more items in the frunk and I don't want to scratch the fenders.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505176483.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505176483.jpg

The color match looks good. I will need to buff out the whole car when done.

SpyderMike 09-11-2017 04:37 PM

So for the latch, I need to come up with something to fit in this space.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505176588.jpg

I found some micro latches for hotrods that just might work...there is enough space there to come up with something that will work.

SpyderMike 09-15-2017 07:57 AM

So I spent about 3 hours mocking up the latches and trying different locations.
I wanted two latches and to have them spread out on either side of the original latch location
The actuating arms are long and I first tried to located them to be in the indent areas of the hood either side of the original latch plate:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505490344.jpg

but the interference was there - just slightly enough for me to punt this approach. Then I figured if I make some small cuts out of the front metal, I could their swap sides and tuck the latches inside the frunk (darkened area of blue tape to be cut out) with the latch actuator arms pointing inside:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505490344.jpg

Then I had to come up with a bolt-on plate that would be at the correct angle so that the latching shoulder bolts would be at the right angle and location to intercept the latches. I had some aluminum sheet lying around, so I started to mock this up. This will bolt into the hood at the original two locations but will span further apart and to this I will bolt the latch shoulder bolts:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505490344.jpg

The angle turned out perfect and the clearances are very good.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505490344.jpg

As they are oriented now, the latches can either be push actuated by a rod on each side or pull operated by cable or rod. The latches are hidden out of the way under the wire runs in the front. I like this approach. If my hood plate work, I might have to find someone to make a nice one for me. I have limited sheetmetal tools.

I will start cutting the front soon.

rbogh901 09-15-2017 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpyderMike (Post 9715632)
So while I was waiting for my painted parts, several things happened to me, and the only thing I got done on the car was to take car of the spot welds from the rear plate removal. I used a 3M putty filler. I had never done it before, but it was pretty easy actually.

Before - note the spot welds:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1503791565.jpg

I sanded those spot welds down with a grinder and then a sander. Then I mixed the spot putty and smeared it into place.

I had to fill a couple of times to get one hole just right.

After curing, I sanded and primed:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1503791580.jpg



Hi Mike,

Very nice work. I need to do this and it looks great. Did you drill the spot welds or what?

SpyderMike 09-15-2017 09:53 AM

I used a spot weld drill bit from Harbor Freight:

https://www.harborfreight.com/3-8-eighth-inch-double-sided-rotary-spot-weld-cutter-95343.html

It worked great. I had never done it before and was a bit too aggressive on a few. You can see one I blew through - 5th from the right. Slow and steady...

Not sure why they needed that many spot welds for that piece.

SpyderMike 09-15-2017 04:57 PM

oh, here are the latches and one of the shoulder bolts:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505497118.jpg

SpyderMike 09-15-2017 04:58 PM

so a couple of hours later and I have the latches installed. The bottom of the slot is right where there were holes drilled by the factory for the smile or something (I don't recall). All I did was slot down to them. The brownish stuff was there from the existing hole. The holes are still rough openings and need to be cleaned up and the area painted:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

From inside - perfect locations. The actuators are right under cable straps so that the wiring is kept out of the way. These latches seemed to be perfect for this application.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

I slotted the mount holes for the hood plate:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

and installed it:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505515176.jpg

Looking in from the side, you can see the clearance between the bracket and the latch:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

The red shows where the shoulder bolt will pass through. I am going to source slightly smaller (in diameter) shoulder bolts than the ones it came with. The head is too big.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505514283.jpg

I will also trim the hood latch plate to remove excess material and prep for paint once I dial everything in. I am thinking I will use rods behind the horn grills (one for each side) to activate the latch releases. The movement to release is only about 5 degrees.

SpyderMike 09-15-2017 05:10 PM

I kept rolling with some smaller tasks. Next I riveted in the front blower block off plate. I bought a roll of neoprene rubber 1/8" thick single adhesive tape to seal the perimeter:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505523680.jpg

used hole punch to allow the rivets through the rubber and then riveted the plate in:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505523680.jpg

I then set about reinstalling my fender/bumper outriggers and new horns. I had dialed in the outriggers at level hence the digital level:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505523769.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505523769.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505523769.jpg

I then cleaned the fuel drain in preparation for my new fender and filler seal

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505524200.jpg

I am pretty much ready for the fenders and bumpers (when my deco trim shipment comes in).

SpyderMike 09-17-2017 03:38 PM

I couldn't readily find a shoulder bolt meeting my needs, so I created one with steel spacers and some hardware. It works perfectly in this application:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505690345.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505690345.jpg

I cleaned up the holes with a small file (I still need to paint the exposed metal):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505690345.jpg

The latches allow the hood to fully seat and the hood doesn't move at all. I have some lockwire attached to the latch release levers and coming out of the side of the frunk so I don't accidently lock the hood down with no way to release it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505690345.jpg

Then the conversation with Uwon on another thread got me to think of a way to release both latches with one pull. I figured a simple bellcrank should work and I could use the original location of the single latch. I had some L angle aluminum laying around so I made this prototype in about 15 minutes. You can see my safety wires. It works like a charm! I think I can design this to actuate by pulling the original handle in the cockpit.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505690345.jpg

The safety wires will all be replaced with nicer covered swagged cables or with rods.

Flojo 09-17-2017 11:34 PM

nice. if this gets 100% you could sell this as as a DIY-kit and make some money.
all those backdaters will love it, as it saves time and money compared to welding in the tin.

SpyderMike 09-18-2017 08:15 AM

Thanks, I will post some sketches and dimensions when it is finished.

SpyderMike 09-18-2017 07:24 PM

I got my deco trim today and started putting it on the rear bumpers. Had to put layers of blue tape on it and hit it with a mallet to get it to conform. I am using the earlier thin deco without the reflector in the back and forcing it to work on my RS bumpers. First one took a couple of hours to get right...next one should be easier.

I also got some thin rod material, some "throttle cable swivels", and some hardware to finish off my bellcrank front hood latch. Pretty happy with how it works. I need to figure out a single point pull and a spring return and I am set. That will have to wait until I get my rear pumpers and panel on

SpyderMike 09-19-2017 05:04 PM

Well I spent over 2 hours trying to get the right rear bumper on the car. First, the removal and disassembly of my attach brackets for paint resulted in me having to adjust them again and again to get them right. That is not easy with the oil tank right there. And the seal above the bumper has got some adhesive tape that doesn't seem to hold well at all. Anyway, it is on and the left hand side only took another 2 hours to form and install the deco and then mount it to the car. Ugh. I tried putting the center panel on and was reminded that the muffler on this car interferes with it. So off it comes until a new muffler is sourced.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505868900.jpg

I like the look of the car and the direction this is going. Does it have to be sooo hard at times?

SpyderMike 09-19-2017 05:15 PM

I need to pull the rear bumpers back off to install these aluminum trim pieces. I wasn't sure I wanted them, but once the bumpers were installed, I think it closes off the ends nicely.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505870076.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1505870076.jpg

There is a little reshaping needed to get them to fit properly and I think some black seal goes between them and the body. Fun, fun, fun.

Neilnaz 09-19-2017 06:13 PM

Hi Spydermike, did you use single bracket and clamp to align the bumpers with the body or do you have additional clamps. Your gap is really even and the gap between bumper and wing on my car is not.

By the way, your car is really looking great :)

Cheers, Neil

SpyderMike 09-19-2017 10:07 PM

Thank you Neilnaz! I used the single bracket attached to the bumper shock support and the round tube attach at the front end of the bumper (refer to post 120 on page 6). No clamps...although they might be a good idea. I spent hours figuring out my main single bracket design and it does most of the locating and is somewhat adjustable.

Neilnaz 09-20-2017 12:52 PM

Cheers Spydermike - maybe I just need to have a go at adjusting the bumper again.

SpyderMike 09-20-2017 01:14 PM

There are a few things at play. I had to make sure my rear light assemblies were straight and flush, then each bumper, then the center panel and finally the chrome bumpers. Each of these has to be massaged to fit right with the others. It has not been a simple bolt on affair for me. The problem is that any single part that is off will stand out. I am taking them back off to tweak them even better.

Neilnaz 09-20-2017 01:36 PM

Thanks for the explanation - my car has a twist in the right rear (drivers side for me :) ) light assembly caused by a less than perfect bodywork repair. So it is the rear wing (guard) that is slightly askew. The bumper gap to the wing is slightly wider in the middle and I wondered whether a couple of clamps might assist in bringing the wing and bumper together. I could fabricate a clamp to achieve this rather then drilling holes in the flanges and using a nut/bolt/washer arrangement to draw them together.

Cheers and sorry to hijack your great thread. Carry on

Neil

SpyderMike 09-28-2017 09:41 AM

I removed the bumpers once again to install the trim detail. It took some massaging to fit okay:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1506620284.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1506620284.jpg

on to the other side now.


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